Teens dies after insurance company denies payment

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Many advertisers use incentive to extract things of value from people, are they using force?
I don't mind allowing people to donate organs themselves but there are far more waiting than donating. Offering cash to anyone who is freely interested is an offer, by it's very definition it cannot involve force.

Why is this so sinister? Every being has 2 kidneys and only needs one, yet thousands die waiting for kidney transplants that never come. It's not like I am asking anyone to cut off their arm so someone else can have an extra.


I'm not sure why you'd say that, any black market always involves more unethical practices than a legal one.
And yes I do believe in the right over your own body.
Who here does not?
Which advertiser is allowed to request you sell human body parts for money? As I said, this is problematic at best, immoral at worst.
 
OK, I don't see why I should subsidize this with MY DOLLARS because of their parents irresponsibility and laziness? What did I do? Why do you have to STEAL from ME?
 
I can do whatever I want with my body and If I WANT to sell my kidney to someone for big bucks NO ONE is stopping me.
 
I can do whatever I want with my body and If I WANT to sell my kidney to someone for big bucks NO ONE is stopping me.
The reality is that often those who will wind up selling the organs are not those who "want" to do it. They won't have woken up one day and say, "What a fabulous idea! Let's take away any redundancy I have to keep my health in case one of my kidneys goes down!"

It will be, "My family is going to starve if I don't."

It will wind up being a quick fix for a desperate situation that they will repeat without knowledge.

If people did just decide that it was a good and positive choice then I can't think of a reason to object. But I can understand that economic power, and its use, is a form of force.
 
The reality is that often those who will wind up selling the organs are not those who "want" to do it. They won't have woken up one day and say, "What a fabulous idea! Let's take away any redundancy I have to keep my health in case one of my kidneys goes down!"

It will be, "My family is going to starve if I don't."

It will wind up being a quick fix for a desperate situation that they will repeat without knowledge.

If people did just decide that it was a good and positive choice then I can't think of a reason to object. But I can understand that economic power, and its use, is a form of force.

that may be so but it's tough shit for them. I should be able to sell my kidney if I want too. I can't help it , nor am I responsible for some dumb prole that may be pseudo forced into selling their body.

Don't you support prostitution damo? What about those woman that are so poor and have no where else to turn to but to sell their bodies? Thats "pseudo force" as well . . . what say you?
 
that may be so but it's tough shit for them. I should be able to sell my kidney if I want too. I can't help it , nor am I responsible for some dumb prole that may be pseudo forced into selling their body.

Don't you support prostitution damo? What about those woman that are so poor and have no where else to turn to but to sell their bodies? Thats "pseudo force" as well . . . what say you?
Only that it can be regulated to kill off force by pimps. People should be able to choose, not be forced into such decisions.
 
Scenario 1) We legalize prostitution, pimps are no more.... but there are still poor women on the very bottom of the economic ladder. They have no other option.. so they turn to prostitution . .

This is not "taking advantage of somebody's misfortune and desperate need?"

Scenario 2) Someone is poor and on the bottom of the economic ladder, and want to sell an organ to a willing buyer...

This IS taking advantage of somebody's misfortune and desperate need?
 
Scenario 1) We legalize prostitution, pimps are no more.... but there are still poor women on the very bottom of the economic ladder. They have no other option.. so they turn to prostitution . .

This is not "taking advantage of somebody's misfortune and desperate need?"

Scenario 2) Someone is poor and on the bottom of the economic ladder, and want to sell an organ to a willing buyer...

This IS taking advantage of somebody's misfortune and desperate need?
The difference is in the force. The pimp uses fraud to bring them into his web then turn them out. The same people will be brought to bear with organs. Unless you are willing to let the government regulate.
 
I dunno, I could see people disagreeing with selling redundant organs while they're alive.

But offering to give people a small payment, maybe about $1000 dollars, in order to become an organ donor would be a positive thing. Organs would be slightly more expensive but no one would die waiting for them anymore. Most people who say they didn't sign up to be an organ donor say they would've changed their mind had an economic incentive been present.

Then again, we could always have mandatory organ harvesting. MWAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!
 
I dunno, I could see people disagreeing with selling redundant organs while they're alive.

But offering to give people a small payment, maybe about $1000 dollars, in order to become an organ donor would be a positive thing. Organs would be slightly more expensive but no one would die waiting for them anymore. Most people who say they didn't sign up to be an organ donor say they would've changed their mind had an economic incentive been present.

Then again, we could always have mandatory organ harvesting. MWAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!
It should be "opt out" rather than "opt in".
 
Scenario 1) We legalize prostitution, pimps are no more.... but there are still poor women on the very bottom of the economic ladder. They have no other option.. so they turn to prostitution . .

This is not "taking advantage of somebody's misfortune and desperate need?"

Scenario 2) Someone is poor and on the bottom of the economic ladder, and want to sell an organ to a willing buyer...

This IS taking advantage of somebody's misfortune and desperate need?

SOmeone is poor and on the bottom of the economic latter, so McDonalds takes advantage of their misfortune and desperate need by forcing them to work. Terrible ethical lapse.
 
SOmeone is poor and on the bottom of the economic latter, so McDonalds takes advantage of their misfortune and desperate need by forcing them to work. Terrible ethical lapse.
Not forced, very, very, very much the weakest ever analogy I have ever read on this site.
 
If our society wasn't so phobic about sex being a prostitute wouldn't be such a big deal. I don't really consider it "taking advantage" of someone any more than any other form of entertainment industry.
 
Cool. The girl's family got a lawyer:


An insurance company that initially refused to pay for a liver transplant for a 17-year-old Northridge girl who died in a hospital should face criminal charges and pay civil damages, an attorney for the girl's family said Friday.

Cigna HealthCare "literally, maliciously killed" Nataline Sarkisyan, attorney Mark Geragos told reporters in downtown Los Angeles.

Sarkisyan died at 5:50 p.m. Thursday after being pulled off life support at UCLA Medical Center.

Geragos said Cigna twice took Sarkisyan off the liver transplant list and purposely waited until she was near death to approve the transplant because the company didn't want to pay for her after-care.

Cigna announced yesterday -- just hours before the girl died -- it would pay for the transplant. "Cigna decided that they were going to take profits over this little, beautiful princess' life," Geragos said. "We believe that they single- handedly decided that they wanted to have her die and wait so they would not have to take the after-care coverage."
 
That's what litigation is for. I guarantee you I would. I'd even ask my FIL for advice on who to choose.
 
If our society wasn't so phobic about sex being a prostitute wouldn't be such a big deal. I don't really consider it "taking advantage" of someone any more than any other form of entertainment industry.
This is somewhat what I am speaking of. Because of this, the girls are more often than not forced into it by somebody who commits fraud to seem to "help" them at a time of need then are turned out.

This could be victimless. But we make it so that victims are exponentially expounded.

This is what would happen without regulation on organ sales. The most desperate would be taken advantage of with economic force. Very not within my mores.
 
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