Ted Cruz Tells Reporters "I'm a Christian First, American Second"

kaz said:
True, but you're kind of splitting hairs. They were deists with Judeo Christian based morality. Regarding the discussion that's a distinction without a difference.

As to the topic, so just to be clear, it's your position that no one who doesn't put the government or the United States as their #1 priority should be President? That's your actual argument?
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Actually, it isn't splitting hairs, the ones who were Deist based their morals on reason, judgement and free will, Deism isn't based on Christian morality, it has no dogma.
 
Rana said:
Actually, it isn't splitting hairs, the ones who were Deist based their morals on reason, judgement and free will, Deism isn't based on Christian morality, it has no dogma.
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You didn't contradict what I said. I didn't say anything about dogma, I talked about morality. You may go back to your normal trolling now
 
kaz said:
You didn't contradict what I said. I didn't say anything about dogma, I talked about morality. You may go back to your normal trolling now
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Deism isn't based on Christian morality, Deist believe in humans ability to reason, it does not require a god to be moral.
 
kaz said:
Well, that eliminates liberalism which is based on pure faith since there is no empirical evidence to back it up. At least for the religious, we know there is an earth and it came from somewhere. That puts religion ahead of liberalism in being backed up by evidence
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You are full of crap.
 
Rana said:
Deism isn't based on Christian morality, Deist believe in humans ability to reason, it does not require a god to be moral.
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Despite you acrobatics to argue with me, you haven't yet contradicted what I argued
 
kaz said:
Despite you acrobatics to argue with me, you haven't yet contradicted what I argued
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Indid prove your post incorrect.
They did not have Judeo Christian values, because Judeo Christian values are a believe that morality is based on the words of a god. Deism does not believe morality is derived from a god, but by the reasoning of humans.
 
Rana said:
Indid prove your post incorrect.
They did not have Judeo Christian values, because Judeo Christian values are a believe that morality is based on the words of a god. Deism does not believe morality is derived from a god, but by the reasoning of humans.
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So be what trolls loathe. Specific. What values did they have that were not Judeo Christian values. Good luck with that
 
kaz said:
So be what trolls loathe. Specific. What values did they have that were not Judeo Christian values. Good luck with that
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Never mind, I see you are the one that doesn't understand the differences between Judeo Christianity and Deism, you play the game of splitting hairs, not I.
 
Rana said:
Never mind, I see you are the one that doesn't understand the differences between Judeo Christianity and Deism, you play the game of splitting hairs, not I.
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Exactly, when trolls are asked to name specifics, you run away. You said you proved my claim they are the same morals was wrong. Yet I crushed you with one simple question. Name one. Name one different moral.

Then you got off your chair, stuck your nose in the air and pouted and ran away. It's what trolls do
 
kaz said:
Exactly, when trolls are asked to name specifics, you run away. You said you proved my claim they are the same morals was wrong. Yet I crushed you with one simple question. Name one. Name one different moral.

Then you got off your chair, stuck your nose in the air and pouted and ran away. It's what trolls do
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Abortion
Homosexuality
Sodomy
Gambling
Sex outside of marriage
Indentured Slavery
Drug use
Prostitution

There are other things that Deist would reason are acceptable and moral while Christianity would find them to be immoral.

When Christians make the statement, there is no morality without God, it makes them very different from Christians concerning morals.
 
Leonthecat said:
Deists are not christians.
Your argument that they are the same, has no merit whatsoever.
You couldn't "crush" a paper cup.
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That isn't what I said. Look straight up. you follow me around and make endless contentless snotty comments. I dont' care that you're a dick or that you have no content. but either stop following me around making every eight year old comment you can every time I post anything or start adding some content.

or you will be the #1 and only on my ignore list.

This is a pointless post, I know that. But i have to give you the courtesy of a chance
 
Rana said:
Abortion
Homosexuality
Sodomy
Gambling
Sex outside of marriage
Indentured Slavery
Drug use
Prostitution

There are other things that Deist would reason are acceptable and moral while Christianity would find them to be immoral.

When Christians make the statement, there is no morality without God, it makes them very different from Christians concerning morals.
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You made all of that up. Pick your favorite and prove it
 
kaz said:
That isn't what I said. Look straight up. you follow me around and make endless contentless snotty comments. I dont' care that you're a dick or that you have no content. but either stop following me around making every eight year old comment you can every time I post anything or start adding some content.

or you will be the #1 and only on my ignore list.

This is a pointless post, I know that. But i have to give you the courtesy of a chance
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Eight year olds talk about "crushing "people . stop talking like a dishonest jerk and I will begin to respect you.
 
kaz said:
You made all of that up. Pick your favorite and prove it
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Rana is exactly correct on all the items listed. You made the wild claim that deists are the same as christians in all respects. The burden is on you.
Prove your crazy claim, or STFU.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
And it's an historical fact.

When a Christian puts their religion first it can mean something different than a Keith Ellison putting Islam first. For reasons that are sadly not obvious to all of us. For Cruz and the majority of Christians in this country it means simply that their faith is in God before government. Moreover, there's not much in the way of practical effect: in other words, apart from how a Christian congressman would vote on abortion issues it's not like they stand out from the crowd.

But there are many millions and probably billions of Muslims in the world that not only put their religion first, they believe, quite strongly, that their holy book mandates that their religion serves as a corpus for civil law. Saudi Arabi is a glowing example of where Islam IS the government. Iran would be identical except they are Shia instead of Sunni.

So yeah, when a Keith Ellison says he puts Islam before the government it should raise a few antennas---it means at least a few people are paying attention to what's going on in the world and/or they aren't blinded by political correctness.

When Ted Cruz says he's a Christian first, it's ho-hum; there's millions of us and things are going just fine unless you're in the market for a gay wedding cake. And last I looked no one is having limbs lopped off for shoplifting, or beheaded for blasphemy or other barbaric et ceteras.
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What happens if one of these "put religion first" guys becomes prez and then decides God told him to engage in another war?
 
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