Syria v. Iraq

Additionally, invading Iraq did not entail us taking sides with Al Qaeda, which an attack of Syria would

Prove this with facts idiot?
 
evince said:
After 8 years of Clinton dithering, Saddam began to feel his oats and reneged on the deal. Violation of cease fire agreements legally allowed a resumption of hostilities. Which George Bush rightfully did.


what the fuck is this supposed to mean?
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It's supposed to mean exactly what happened.

Bill Clinton spent 8 years allowing Saddam to jerk off weapons inspectors, fire upon coalition planes patrolling the no fly zones, and plan an assassination of the former President Bush...

.... with only the most feeble and ineffective of retaliations.

That's what it's supposed to mean.
 
evince said:
Additionally, invading Iraq did not entail us taking sides with Al Qaeda, which an attack of Syria would

Prove this with facts idiot?
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It's practically a unanimous acknowledgement that Al Qaeda is part of the rebellion.

Is there anyone who is saying they are not?>
 
evince said:
Additionally, invading Iraq did not entail us taking sides with Al Qaeda, which an attack of Syria would

Prove this with facts idiot?
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It's practically a unanimous acknowledgement that Al Qaeda is part of the rebellion.

Is there anyone who is saying they are not?>
 
evince said:
Furthermore, Saddam was harboring terrorists within his borders.
He was offering a $25K reward to the families of suicide bombers in Israel.
He was exporting terrorism.



this is bullshit and you can not prove any of it
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I get the impression that you're about 12 years-old, didn't live through any of this, and haven't a clue of the pre-internet world.

Those of us who lived through it have different perceptions of what took place, but you'll notice that there are some things we don't dispute.
 
Evince, I know you don't really care about what happened, and what the truth is. I understand you have some sort of manic paranoia that unless the United States bombs Syria your Food Stamps, or SNAP, or WIC, Medicaid, or Section 8 Housing, or something or other may get cut off.

But on the one in 1,000,000 chance that you are interested in learning something.... here:

http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-202_162-505316.html

Iraqi President Saddam Hussein has raised the amount offered to relatives of suicide bombers from $10,000 per family to $25,000, U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said Wednesday.

Since Iraq upped its payments last month, 12 suicide bombers have successfully struck inside Israel, including one man who killed 25 Israelis, many of them elderly, as they sat down to a meal at a hotel to celebrate the Jewish holiday of Passover. The families of three suicide bombers said they have recently received payments of $25,000.

Palestinians say the bombers are driven by a priceless thirst for revenge, religious zeal and dreams of glory — not greed.

Mahmoud Safi, leader of a pro-Iraqi Palestinian group, the Arab Liberation Front, acknowledged that the support payments for relatives make it easier for some potential bombers to make up their minds. "Some people stop me on the street, saying if you increase the payment to $50,000 I'll do it immediately," Safi said. He also suggested such remarks were made mostly in jest.

Saddam has said the Palestinians need weapons and money instead of peace proposals and has provided payments throughout a year and a half of Israeli-Palestinian battles. "I saw on Iraqi TV President Saddam saying he will continue supporting the (uprising) even if it means selling his own clothes," said Safi.

Rumsfeld, who said earlier this week that Saddam and the Iraqi government were offering the lower amount, elaborated on the issue at a Pentagon briefing.

"It turns out that he has raised that amount and it's $25,000 per family, not $10,000 per family," Rumsfeld said.

"Here is an individual who is the head of a country, Iraq, who has proudly, publicly made a decision to go out and actively promote and finance human sacrifice for families that will have their youngsters kill innocent men, women and children," Rumsfeld said.

Though he did not say so, he appeared to refer to the current wave of suicide bombings on Israeli civilian targets.

"I am simply trying to let the people of Iraq understand what their leadership is doing, to let the people of the Middle East and the rest of the world ... know what is in fact being done to arm young people and send them out to blow up restaurants and shopping malls and pizza parlors," he said.

Rumsfeld blasted Iraq, Iran and Syria on Monday for inflaming violence in the Middle East, and said he raised the issue of Iraq on Wednesday to suggest it was important to "recognize that there is an infrastructure to terrorism."

Rumsfeld said Saddam had stated publicly the payment for families "if they're able to persuade a family to have their teen-ager strap explosives on them and go out and kill themselves and kill innocent men, women and children."

"He is pleased with his idea and is promoting it in the region," Rumsfeld said of Saddam. "It is a matter of public record."

Under the new Iraqi payscale, decided on March 12 during an Arab conference in Baghdad, the families of gunmen and others who die fighting the Israelis will still receive $10,000, while the relatives of suicide bombers will get $25,000.

Safi and two others from the Arab Liberation Front visit families in the northern West Bank and make the payments. "We go to every family and give them a check," he said. "We tell them that this is a gift from President Saddam and Iraq."

But Saddam is not the only one giving money. Charities from Saudi Arabia and Qatar — both U.S. allies — pay money to families of Palestinians killed in the fighting, including suicide bombers.
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,48822,00.html

Saddam Hussein is http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/03/25/1017004766310.html " >paying $25,000 to the relatives of Palestinian suicide bombers — a $15,000 raise much welcomed by the bombers' families.

In Tulkarm, one of the poorest towns on the West Bank, a member of the Palestinian Legislative Council handed out the checks from Saddam. The payments have been made for at least two years, but the amount has suddenly jumped up by $15,000 — a bonus for the families of martyrs, to reward those taking part in the escalating war against Israel.

Paul McGeough, reporting from the West Bank, was the only foreign correspondent in the hall Monday night when a Palestinian official handed out the checks. McGeough's story in today's Sydney Morning Herald describes a very hellish twist on the Academy Awards:

The men at the top table then opened Saddam's checkbook and, as the names of 47 martyrs were called, family representatives went up to sign for checks written in U.S. dollars.

Those of two suicide bombers were the first to be paid the new rate of $25,000 U.S. and those whose relatives had died in other clashes with the Israeli military were given $10,000 U.S. each.

The $500,000 U.S. doled out in this impoverished community yesterday means that the besieged Iraqi leader now has contributed more than $10 million to grieving Palestinian families since the new intifada began 18 months ago.
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And if neither of these sources please you, there are a host more:

https://www.google.com/search?q=sad...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
 
Rana said:
I asked before, how did that controlling radical Islam work? Lol. ;)
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Actually, it's gone well, in that organized Islamism is weakened substantially. The strongest network is probably Hezbollah, and they are focused exclusively on Israel, rather than on the region or international affairs.
 
evince said:
Furthermore, Saddam was harboring terrorists within his borders.
He was offering a $25K reward to the families of suicide bombers in Israel.
He was exporting terrorism.



this is bullshit and you can not prove any of it
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The reward money was a well-documented program. Many simply argued that Saddam's support for Palestinian terrorism was not our concern.
 
Jarod said:
I have a question for anyone who supported GWB's request for authorization to go to war in Iraq but is opposed to BHO's request for authorization to bomb Syria.
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they are exact opposites.....in Iraq we had documented evidence of WMD but they were missing......some countries argued for waiting till they were found but they had no evidence where they were......now the physical evidence appears to be in the hands of Russia and we're the ones not showing evidence....
 
evince said:
Because it's not a better case.

Syria never signed on to the chemical weapons ban. But, Iraq did agree after the 1991 Gulf War to unfettered United Nations weapons inspections, and to respect no fly zones, as a condition of Saddam remaining in power and a cessation of hostilities.

After 8 years of Clinton dithering, Saddam began to feel his oats and reneged on the deal. Violation of cease fire agreements legally allowed a resumption of hostilities. Which George Bush rightfully did.

Furthermore, Saddam was harboring terrorists within his borders.
He was offering a $25K reward to the families of suicide bombers in Israel.
He was exporting terrorism.

Additionally, invading Iraq did not entail us taking sides with Al Qaeda, which an attack of Syria would.

So, your simplistic parallels are exploded in about 5 sentences.





This is what you said right?
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gosh, that's a pretty good justification for the war in Iraq....I'm surprised at you....
 
Jarod said:
I have a question for anyone who supported GWB's request for authorization to go to war in Iraq but is opposed to BHO's request for authorization to bomb Syria.

Considering that the case against Syria breaking international law is better than that against Iraq and that the scope of the mission in Syria is not even in the same ball park as the request regarding Iraq why?

Have you learned a lesson?
Am I missing something?
Do you simply enjoy opposing President Obama?
What's the deal?
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They simply want to win and don't know or care about politics at all. They repeat what they are told to repeat with full trust that their party is "Conservative"lol.

Proof is in the posts lately. "Obama wants to attack Syria! HAHA TAKE THAT LEFT WING MORONS!"........They don't know nothing on the subject but are simply cultists. I've noticed that a lot of them around where I live are "Guns, God & Babies" people who will justify anything and everything else the Right does because they are fixated on one topic.

Celebrating Obama attacking Syria and calling it a win is as simple minded as it gets. We all lose.
 
Jarod said:
So your saying that the proof is just as bad for Syria as it was for Iraq? I disagree, but let me ask you did you support the Iraq invasion?
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No, I definitely didn't support the Iraq invasion. For reasons that I never had supported any US led wars.

But thinking back I remember a person on a forum that I took part on saying that he was 100% sure that there were no WMD's in Iraq. In retrospect, also thinking back I now know that it was obvious because of the way they manipulated it to get Hans Blix out before he was able to say conclusively that Saddam was clean. It was obvious to anyone who really thought about it in depth but I wasn't quite sure. This time around I am sure.

This is planned US aggression for reasons much different than saving Syrians from gas attacks. There is no doubt!

All Americans should be very concerned because this could be the stroke that will label their country as the pariah nation of the 21st. century.
 
Anti-Party said:
They simply want to win and don't know or care about politics at all. They repeat what they are told to repeat with full trust that their party is "Conservative"lol.

Proof is in the posts lately. "Obama wants to attack Syria! HAHA TAKE THAT LEFT WING MORONS!"........They don't know nothing on the subject but are simply cultists. I've noticed that a lot of them around where I live are "Guns, God & Babies" people who will justify anything and everything else the Right does because they are fixated on one topic.

Celebrating Obama attacking Syria and calling it a win is as simple minded as it gets. We all lose.
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Living proof that there are some very intelligent Americans out there! Don't let them beat you down. And watch your back.
 
monty1 said:
Living proof that there are some very intelligent Americans out there! Don't let them beat you down. And watch your back.
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They are beating themselves down at this point. "We need war!" and "We don't need war now, but yesterday was ok" is catching up to the citizens.

I mean, since the Patriot Act and Prism, I LOVE America and anything in any part of it. Our Presidents are always correct and our Government is always just without bias. I don't have any guns either *record that prism*

Jokes aside, we are in a time where the people need to question their party and perspective more than ever. You can't just parrot off the things people tell you to.
 
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