Why? Isn't he a terrorist?
Suspect ARRESTED... this is breaking fast.
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Why? Isn't he a terrorist?
terminal13
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Fair enough, but fact does help conversation.
And for good reason.
terminal13
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Oh ya why's that?
Dixie - In Memoriam
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Why would that be the case?
Why would this happen?
Why would anyone favor a blatant constitutional violation such as this?
Guantanamo Bay is a U.S. Military installation and detention center in Cuba. It has most recently been used to house enemy combatants captured on fields of battle in foreign countries, not US citizens arrested in the US for crimes committed on US soil. To my knowledge, it has NEVER been used for such.
Tell that to Yasser Hamdi
Dixie - In Memoriam
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You mean the same Yasser Hamdi who was captured in Afghanistan? Like I said, no American has ever been arrested (or captured) in the US, for crimes on US soil, and taken to Gitmo. TRY AGAIN!
So was McVeigh... I would be against it for him too were he still alive and just perpetrated the act of terror in OKC.
They are under the jurisdiction of the US, are citizens, and are not foreign combatants.
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Darla
Isn't it funny that while we don't know if this was foreign or domestic, a white guy or someone from the middle east, we all know it was a he?
Maybe women need to start thinking about that real hard.
Maybe women need to start thinking about that real hard.
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Darla
You know how SJ wanted to start waterboarding the Saudi kid? And how Republicans strongly support, as a group, policies such as stop and frisk? What if women took over? What do things look like from our perspective? Why would we even see race? What if we took these policies and applied them the way it would be natural of us to do, considering who the perpetrators of violence are?
What if we instituted not only stop and frisk, but stop and waterboard? And since our threat would be man, race would not enter into it. We could stop and frisk men on the way to their IT jobs to see if they hit their girlfriends last night. We could see a man looking at a woman and waterboard him just to find out if he is considering a sex crime, or if he has ever committed a sex crime. We could put them under electronic surveillance to see which films they are watching and if they watch one that has a mass murder scene, we bring them in and waterboard them to find out if they are thinking about shooting up a mall or a school.
What if we profiled men for being men rather than for being black men, or muslim men? What if women said you know what, we are sick and tired of this shit and we are not going to take it anymore and gained power?
What if we instituted not only stop and frisk, but stop and waterboard? And since our threat would be man, race would not enter into it. We could stop and frisk men on the way to their IT jobs to see if they hit their girlfriends last night. We could see a man looking at a woman and waterboard him just to find out if he is considering a sex crime, or if he has ever committed a sex crime. We could put them under electronic surveillance to see which films they are watching and if they watch one that has a mass murder scene, we bring them in and waterboard them to find out if they are thinking about shooting up a mall or a school.
What if we profiled men for being men rather than for being black men, or muslim men? What if women said you know what, we are sick and tired of this shit and we are not going to take it anymore and gained power?
Our language has come to use the generic "he" when the sex of a person is unknown. I was taught in the 70's in school that it was changing and we should use he/she or (s)he, but its too alkward and it dident catch on.
I find it funny how Republicans are against any policy that was GWB's and Obama follows, like Drone attacks, but are still for the policies of GWB's that President Obama did not follow.
If President Obama supported waterboarding, the Republicans would be fillabustering in protest.
If President Obama supported waterboarding, the Republicans would be fillabustering in protest.
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Darla
Yes, but this is separate from that. I mean that we all know this is was a man. We know nothing else, but we know this. And it will turn out that we were right. It's a man.
It would be strange for it to be a woman, I agree.
Im not sure why, but then I dont understand women.
My expirence is that women are less likely to use force to accomplish a goal and more likley to use more passive manulipation.
Also in the cultures of people who are authoratian, radical islamists and social conservatives, women are generally not granted many rights.
Dixie - In Memoriam
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Again, we've somehow jumped from sending the Boston bomber to Gitmo to waterboarding him. Is there some mental disconnect with Liberals where they don't understand the difference between criminals arrested on US soil, and enemies captured on the fields of battle?
Now, I don't support waterboarding the person responsible for the bombing, nor do I think they should be sent to Gitmo. I believe they should be arrested by law enforcement, held in a US jail until arraignment by a US judge and trial in a US court, sentenced by a US jury to spend time in a US prison.
IF...... We somehow captured a terrorist on foreign soil, a week before Boston, with the knowledge that this person knows the details of some upcoming terrorist act in the US... I would be ALL FOR waterboarding them to obtain information which would have prevented the bombings in Boston. If we could have saved one life, or prevented one amputation, it would have been worth whatever scorn and shame liberals doled out, to prevent it.
Now, I don't support waterboarding the person responsible for the bombing, nor do I think they should be sent to Gitmo. I believe they should be arrested by law enforcement, held in a US jail until arraignment by a US judge and trial in a US court, sentenced by a US jury to spend time in a US prison.
IF...... We somehow captured a terrorist on foreign soil, a week before Boston, with the knowledge that this person knows the details of some upcoming terrorist act in the US... I would be ALL FOR waterboarding them to obtain information which would have prevented the bombings in Boston. If we could have saved one life, or prevented one amputation, it would have been worth whatever scorn and shame liberals doled out, to prevent it.
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So, the ends justify the means?
Would you support any other form of torture, as well - as long as we got the information?
christiefan915
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"Passive manipulation" is mansplaining. How about diplomacy, cooperation and compromise?
Dixie - In Memoriam
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Again.... IF we could go back in time, and IF we had captured a terrorist in a foreign country, and IF we knew they had information regarding some kind of upcoming terror attack... would it not be worth waterboarding, if it prevented the tragedy in Boston? A simple yes or no will do.
When it comes to preventing terrorist attacks which kill and injure many people, I am very much an 'ends justifies means' kind of guy, I am sorry if that offends you. I don't consider waterboarding "torture" because it is "interrogation" and I don't believe it should ever be used by local law enforcement on US soil and US citizens, or as a form of punishment for any crime.
Would he support the torture of US soldiers or citizens by the other side to get information? What about US citizens? Should they be tortured to get information as well?
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You didn't answer the question.
Whether waterboarding is torture or not (it is), is a different argument. Your argument was based on the ends - you implied that you would use any means to arrive at those ends. I asked if you would support other forms of torture toward those ends, because it seems logical that you would if the end result is all that matters.