Suicide and Trumpism

noise said:
no you aren't "limiting". many good skilled jobs pay very well. The guy who put in my water softener worked in the business and then opened his own business. He's expanded 2x.
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Great. Anecdotes mean nothing to me and cannot be extrapolated to the larger labor market.


Compare that to mountains of student debt and a liberal arts that is over saturated supply
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Student debt only exists because public colleges aren't free, and as states cut budgets, those cuts are felt in the tuition increases for state schools. So if you're going to cry crocodile tears over student loan debt, just know that debt is only the result of a Conservative effort to de-legitimize higher education in an effort to keep people dumb and complacent.


500k manufacturing jobs increase under Drumpf is not a "fairy tale"
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For every job they "create", we lose one to outsourcing and automation. How many businesses have announced plans to move offshore? BMW, Harley Davidson, Carrier, etc.

Also, wages for 90% of workers haven't grown...in fact, for many real wages have decreased. Meanwhile, income growth for the top 1% is above the national average, which is why they say wages grew 3.1%...well, duh, the 1% saw their wages grow 3.7%, which means wage growth for everyone else was below that magic 3.1% number, and is flat to inflation.
 
Oneuli said:
Unfortunately, the national numbers get weighed down a lot by terrible systems in conservative-led states like West Virginia and Mississippi.
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But they score off the charts in creationist science. Nothing they don't know about how Jesus rode a dino side saddle
and the water in the heavens and what day of the week God separated that and made the stars after our flat earth.
 
anonymoose said:
There cannot be a correlation between Trump approval and suicide when there was no Trump around to make that correlation.
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Of course there can. It's bizarre you'd imagine otherwise.

....One of the first things you learn in any statistics class is that correlation doesn't imply causation.
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When you have a strong correlation like this, across a large population, there's a cause. You don't get a statistically significant correlation like this by way of random movements of people. The question of how causation is running, though, is an open one. Does A cause B? Does B cause A? Does C cause both A and B? That's the question I was exploring in the top post.
 
Oneuli said:
If you look at our test scores, you'll see that many liberal areas do quite well. For example, Massachusetts has the best NAEP scores of any state pretty much every year, and on the international PISA test, they put up numbers that would be among the international elite:

https://www.boston25news.com/news/massachusetts-students-score-among-worlds-best/473550882

Unfortunately, the national numbers get weighed down a lot by terrible systems in conservative-led states like West Virginia and Mississippi.
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they hate Cali and we manage to be the 5th largest economy in the world all by our selves.


they hate the Liberal ideas are so productive
 
Cypress said:
I think it is pretty obvious from this message board, and many others, that white nationalists, xenophobes, and degenerate bigots spend inordinate amounts of their lives - countless hours - indulging in resentment, cynicism, nursing petty grudges. They spend a lot of time stressing out about "invasions from the south", "feminazis", "immigrants from sh*thole countries", welfare-hogging "darkies", the imagined horrors of Sharia Law, and dirty "towel heads".

Living with that kind of negativity, hate, and cynicism had to poison their souls - and result in mentally and emotionally damaged subhumans.
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LMAO, the pure irony of the post above from the leg humping rape apologizing misogynistic piece of shit that is Cypress.

His hatred of conservatives and non stop holier than thou routine is so unbelievably pathetic. Poor little leg humper is so very desperate to prove he isn't a woman abusing piece of shit stalker.
 
Superfreak said:
LMAO, the pure irony of the post above from the leg humping rape apologizing misogynistic piece of shit that is Cypress.

His hatred of conservatives and non stop holier than thou routine is so unbelievably pathetic. Poor little leg humper is so very desperate to prove he isn't a woman abusing piece of shit stalker.
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poor little super duper bloody brick pooper


its hard for you to accept you are a sociopath huh
 
Cypress said:
I think it is pretty obvious from this message board, and many others, that white nationalists, xenophobes, and degenerate bigots spend inordinate amounts of their lives - countless hours - indulging in resentment, cynicism, nursing petty grudges. They spend a lot of time stressing out about "invasions from the south", "feminazis", "immigrants from sh*thole countries", welfare-hogging "darkies", the imagined horrors of Sharia Law, and dirty "towel heads".

Living with that kind of negativity, hate, and cynicism had to poison their souls - and result in mentally and emotionally damaged subhumans.
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lets hope most of them are actually russo bot holes and not the truly damaged people they pretend to be
 
evince said:
lets hope most of them are actually russo bot holes and not the truly damaged people they pretend to be
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Russian trolls are either laughing at these Trump chumps or giving each high fives for fooling so many Americans

Trump has embarrassed the nation to the max
 
Oneuli said:
Take a look at these two blocks of statistics:

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/population-health/us-states-ranked-by-suicide-rate.html
https://morningconsult.com/tracking-trump/

What's remarkable is how strongly correlated suicide rates are with Trump approval rates, at the state level. Specifically, there's a 58.4% positive correlation. Basically, the more suicidally depressed people are in a state, the more likely people in the state are to approve of Trump.

This is particularly interesting because it flies in the face of the normal trend for higher-latitude populations to have higher suicide rates (likely owing to circadian rhythm problems in places where there are huge imbalances between night and day in the Summer and Winter months, resulting in sleep irregularities and depression). Other things being equal, you'd expect lower suicide rates in the Deep South than in New England, just as you find lower suicide rates in southern European countries (Spain, Italy, Greece, Portugal) than northern ones (Norway, Finland, Sweden, Iceland).

So, what's the reason for this correlation? Is there something about conservative politics that makes people suicidal (e.g., skimping on public assistance for mental health care)? Or something about being suicidal that makes people conservative (e.g., the attraction of hateful rhetoric to those who are emotionally frayed)? Or something separate that drives both things (e.g., a sense of being left behind, economically)? Why is it that there's such an enormous gap in suicide rates between places like NJ, NY, and MA (around 8/100k), and places like Montana, Alaska, and Wyoming (around 25/100k)?
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1) 58.4% correlation is not strong
2) No, it doesn't fly in the face of the higher latitude trend as most of the top ten are northern states. They are also more sparsely populated states. Liberal New Mexico is the only one that is 'south' in the top ten. That said, see number 3
3) comparing northern US states to northern European countries is nonsensical as the vast majority of the US is of similar latitude to southern Europe.
 
evince said:
poor little super duper bloody brick pooper


its hard for you to accept you are a sociopath huh
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I'm not the one that had the violent psychopathic outburst on the board... that would be Cypress... the psycho misogynistic piece of shit you defend.
 
reagansghost said:
Russian trolls are either laughing at these Trump chumps or giving each high fives for fooling so many Americans

Trump has embarrassed the nation to the max
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but will also prove to the likes of Putin that this nation can survive a shitty leader because it is designed sooo well
 
Superfreak said:
I'm not the one that had the violent psychopathic outburst on the board... that would be Cypress... the psycho misogynistic piece of shit you defend.
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you shit out non stop hate and fucking lies


no one even remembers the crap you are trying to dig up

eat shit and don't die
 
Superfreak said:
1) 58.4% correlation is not strong
2) No, it doesn't fly in the face of the higher latitude trend as most of the top ten are northern states. They are also more sparsely populated states. Liberal New Mexico is the only one that is 'south' in the top ten. That said, see number 3
3) comparing northern US states to northern European countries is nonsensical as the vast majority of the US is of similar latitude to southern Europe.
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and their ground level is what?

its about more than just latitude dude
 
evince said:
they hate Cali and we manage to be the 5th largest economy in the world all by our selves.


they hate the Liberal ideas are so productive
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One thing I find interesting about conservatives is that the things they claim to want are so frequently things that are, in fact, better achieved in more liberal societies. For example, it's not places like Alabama that have good educational outcomes. It's places like Massachusetts, Canada, Scandinavia, etc. -- places known for liberalism. Similarly, productivity is generally higher in more liberal places. Similarly, things like teen pregnancy and violent crime tend to be lower in liberal regions than conservative ones. They basically want to roll out more broadly political approaches that tend to line up with failure.
 
its because their whole gig in based on lies the wealthy tell the gullible and uneducated Americans to get them to vote against their own interests

the people who refuse to do so they cheat out of their rights to vote as much as they can
 
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