Stop & Frisk Captures Wanted Murderer - Trump Was Right

Taft2016 said:
You can't just take someone off the street without something to change them with.

Getting sued for false arrest is no fun either.
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oh stop your lying bullshit. being sued for false arrest hardly EVER makes it to a courtroom and you damned well know it.

qualified immunity is very difficult to overcome. then you have the city almost ALWAYS offering a settlement to keep it out of court, whether it was an actual false arrest or not. then if it ever does come to court, the union picks up the legal fees and defends the cop while most juries almost never convict because they look at cops as the superheroes of the world that should be cut major slack in mistakes because MERIKA!!!!!

no, don't even try it
 
SmarterthanYou said:
oh stop your lying bullshit. being sued for false arrest hardly EVER makes it to a courtroom and you damned well know it.

qualified immunity is very difficult to overcome. then you have the city almost ALWAYS offering a settlement to keep it out of court, whether it was an actual false arrest or not. then if it ever does come to court, the union picks up the legal fees and defends the cop while most juries almost never convict because they look at cops as the superheroes of the world that should be cut major slack in mistakes because MERIKA!!!!!

no, don't even try it
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The police have no such immunity and the reason many cases don't get to court is that it is cheaper to settle than go to trial.

The NYC police unions objected to so many of their members being sued, the case being settled, and the members not even knowing there was a case with their names on it.

So even if the police made a false arrest in good faith, the city pays.
 
Taft2016 said:
The police have no such immunity and the reason many cases don't get to court is that it is cheaper to settle than go to trial.

The NYC police unions objected to so many of their members being sued, the case being settled, and the members not even knowing there was a case with their names on it.

So even if the police made a false arrest in good faith, the city pays.
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change your name from taft to daft. you're retarded.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualified_immunity

As outlined by the Supreme Court in Harlow v. Fitzgerald, 457 U.S. 800 (1982),[1] qualified immunity is designed to shield government officials from actions "insofar as their conduct does not violate clearly established statutory or constitutional rights of which a reasonable person would have known."

While Harlow did not involve a law enforcement officer’s actions, the decision is significant because law enforcement officers are government officials who perform discretionary functions and may be protected by qualified immunity. This shield of immunity is an objective test designed to protect all but “the plainly incompetent or those who knowingly violate the law.” (Malley v. Briggs). Stated differently (but just as comforting to law enforcement officers), officers are not liable for damages “as long as their actions reasonably could have been thought consistent with the rights they are alleged to have violated.” (Anderson v. Creighton) [1]
 
"The studies I've read about assert Stop & Frisk isn't as much of a boon to law & order as its advocates would have us believe." sear

a) It took me a while to figure it out.
I suspect it's an editing error, the word "assert" inserted at the wrong location in the sentence?

b) Therefore I'm obliged to clarify.

sear's clarification:
The studies I've read about Stop & Frisk assert it isn't as much of a boon to law & order as its advocates would have us believe.

A thousand pardons for my inadvertent apparent editing error, and confusing, mis-worded assertion.

"Well, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. The contraband recovered over the years since the Terry decision belies your "studies." " T2 #77

Ah!
An aficionado of the one-sided coin.

Sir:
It is not my job to educate you.
Suffice it to say there's more to evaluating such policy than in absolute terms of whatever benefit it is perceived to derive.

"Well, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. " T2 #77

It's called "cost : benefit" analysis.

OF COURSE there are benefits! That was NEVER the issue.

The question is, do the benefits outweigh the costs by margin sufficient to warrant implementing the protocol long term.

If you study our criminal justice system as closely & as long as I have and do, what you will learn is that minorities, mainly Blacks and Hispanics comprise a progressively higher % of our CJ system, as go further up the scale.

Blacks are reportedly about 13% of the U.S. population. But their per capita population in our jails is substantially higher than that.
A level up, in our prisons, and the ratio of Blacks to Whites is higher still.
And by the time we get to death row, Blacks may comprise over 50% of the population.

And who do you think is targeted by Stop & Frisk?

"He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." Thomas Paine

"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out - because I was not a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak out for me." pastor Martin Niemöller
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Taft2016 said:
You can't just take someone off the street without something to change them with.

Getting sued for false arrest is no fun either.
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Simply not true sir....People all the time in this country are held without charge for 48 hours....And that is totally legal. You don't have a case for "false arrest" if there is ANY crime that you are involved in any way, investigatively speaking, and then subsequently released within 48 hours if not charged with...
 
SmarterthanYou said:
change your name from taft to daft. you're retarded.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualified_immunity

As outlined by the Supreme Court in Harlow v. Fitzgerald, 457 U.S. 800 (1982),[1] qualified immunity is designed to shield government officials from actions "insofar as their conduct does not violate clearly established statutory or constitutional rights of which a reasonable person would have known."

While Harlow did not involve a law enforcement officer’s actions, the decision is significant because law enforcement officers are government officials who perform discretionary functions and may be protected by qualified immunity. This shield of immunity is an objective test designed to protect all but “the plainly incompetent or those who knowingly violate the law.” (Malley v. Briggs). Stated differently (but just as comforting to law enforcement officers), officers are not liable for damages “as long as their actions reasonably could have been thought consistent with the rights they are alleged to have violated.” (Anderson v. Creighton) [1]
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Yes, like I said, "good faith."

Idiot.
 
j-mac said:
Simply not true sir....People all the time in this country are held without charge for 48 hours....And that is totally legal. You don't have a case for "false arrest" if there is ANY crime that you are involved in any way, investigatively speaking, and then subsequently released within 48 hours if not charged with...
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Where does that happen?
 
j-mac said:
Well, what's the answer in places like say Chicago? It is to the point there where many wouldn't object to the military taking over to get a handle on that situation.
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I would and you should as well. I can't believe anyone in the USA would be okay with military taking over anywhere in our country. This is pure idiocy.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
do the means need justifying?......the ends are good for everyone except criminals......
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the means is everything, unless you prefer a specialized caste of people who need no laws, just so long as the ends is satisfying for you?

"The criminal goes free, if he must, but it is the law that sets him free. Nothing can destroy a government more quickly than its failure to observe its own laws, or worse, its disregard of the charter of its own existence."
—Mapp v. Ohio, 367 U.S. 643, 659 (1961).
 
Taft2016 said:
This murderer was at large for months, leaving this entire neighborhood terrified.

If not for the Stop, Question, Frisk policy, this murderer would still be at large.

Not the liberals will ever admit it.



http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...ueens-jogger-karina-vetrano-article-1.2964411
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Will you admit Terry v Ohio was decided in 1968 (Warren Court) and that both you, your idiot in chief, and all you like minded retarded alternate fact rubes have no idea what I am referring to? Thought not.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
"I don't know how to Reply With Quote so many people ignore what I say *"

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You are unambiguously lying here.

a) I've been posting using the quote feature both by mouse method, and by code method, since long before my first post in this forum, and I can prove it in post #3 here: http://theroundtable31996.yuku.com/topic/1809
Please not the post date stamp, over nine years ago.

b) Your lie could not POSSIBLY an unintentional error. It is clearly and completely a deliberate and malicious fabrication.

c) "All honors wounds are self-inflicted." Andrew Carnegie

You are a liar. Perhaps you don't understand the non-reciprocity of lying. But you are liar now. And no matter what you do, you will be a liar until the day you die.

* falsely attributed to sear by PP, a liar
 
Micawber said:
Will you admit Terry v Ohio was decided in 1968 (Warren Court) and that both you, your idiot in chief, and all you like minded retarded alternate fact rubes have no idea what I am referring to? Thought not.
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I mentioned Terry earlier in the thread.

Will you admit that you are just a Troll and aren't keeping up with the discussion?
 
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