Midas Whale67
Banned
I have trouble with his apparent wishy-washiness with his politics. It's like he's a desperate Libertarian trying to disassociate with anything remotely conservative he consequently renders his point(s) moot.
Stop & Frisk Captures Wanted Murderer - Trump Was Right
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I have trouble with his apparent wishy-washiness with his politics. It's like he's a desperate Libertarian trying to disassociate with anything remotely conservative he consequently renders his point(s) moot.
Midas Whale67
Banned
Find a square and land on it.
" looking into cars " #58
Please define " looking into cars ".
I look into cars when I'm riding a bicycle in the door zone, or even sometimes on a motorcycle, in congested urban traffic.
If you mean hooding your eyes with your hands and pressing nose to glass for a minute at a time to take meticulous inventory of items worth stealing, that's one thing.
A COP on foot patrol seeing that would indeed have probable cause, it the pedestrian / subject / suspect does so to more than one car. Doing it to just one car? Maybe he's checking to see if the friend he left there 10 minutes ago left his iPhone inside.
Looking in a car is not a crime; even with the other suspicious components, crowbar, timeAM.
It's HOW he looks in the car. So what do you have in mind?
Please define " looking into cars ".
I look into cars when I'm riding a bicycle in the door zone, or even sometimes on a motorcycle, in congested urban traffic.
If you mean hooding your eyes with your hands and pressing nose to glass for a minute at a time to take meticulous inventory of items worth stealing, that's one thing.
A COP on foot patrol seeing that would indeed have probable cause, it the pedestrian / subject / suspect does so to more than one car. Doing it to just one car? Maybe he's checking to see if the friend he left there 10 minutes ago left his iPhone inside.
Looking in a car is not a crime; even with the other suspicious components, crowbar, timeAM.
It's HOW he looks in the car. So what do you have in mind?
Taft2016
Verified User
Really? What's the charge?
Taft2016
Verified User
As I said, probable cause is the level of proof to make an arrest. You don't have that here. There's nothing to charge him with.
The cop determines probable cause and the courts rule on it.....your opinion is irrelevant, as is mine.
I don't mean this as a personal attack on you, its just reality
"As I said, probable cause is the level of proof to make an arrest." T2
I remember.
And I quoted from the 4th Amendment of the Bill of Rights, and cited several additional government options it renders legal.
"You don't have that here. There's nothing to charge him with."
This thread is about "Stop & Frisk".
If I were the patrolman, I'd ask the guy why he was:
a) Out at 3:AM
b) Carrying a deadly weapon, &
c) snooping in parked, unattended cars.
Unless he had a damned good explanation, he'd be taking a walk, or going for a ride.
I remember.
And I quoted from the 4th Amendment of the Bill of Rights, and cited several additional government options it renders legal.
"You don't have that here. There's nothing to charge him with."
This thread is about "Stop & Frisk".
If I were the patrolman, I'd ask the guy why he was:
a) Out at 3:AM
b) Carrying a deadly weapon, &
c) snooping in parked, unattended cars.
Unless he had a damned good explanation, he'd be taking a walk, or going for a ride.
j-mac
Verified User
Yes, I think you are correct here....Cop's are going to err on the side of taking a bad person off the street....No skin off their nose....How many times do you think they say "let the judge sort it out"?
Taft2016
Verified User
You can't just take someone off the street without something to change them with.
Getting sued for false arrest is no fun either.
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jm #69
Uh Oh.
I sincerely appreciate the agreement. But it seems I wasn't clear.
What I meant was:
the mayor's office and the police chief get lots of grief about police conduct.
So the police commanders are usually ordered to keep their subordinates in line, so the heat stays off the chief, and the mayor.
So the shift supervisor may press a COP about why the suspect was arrested, to insure it'll stand up.
T2 #70
In NYC for example I believe there's an amount of time the police can hold a suspect without charge. It may be 72 hours. I'm not sure.
That being the case, how could they hold him, if he hasn't been apprehended?
You're right. It's customary to inform the citizen of the charge, before being restrained.
But that protocol isn't followed in all circumstances.
Uh Oh.
I sincerely appreciate the agreement. But it seems I wasn't clear.
What I meant was:
the mayor's office and the police chief get lots of grief about police conduct.
So the police commanders are usually ordered to keep their subordinates in line, so the heat stays off the chief, and the mayor.
So the shift supervisor may press a COP about why the suspect was arrested, to insure it'll stand up.
T2 #70
In NYC for example I believe there's an amount of time the police can hold a suspect without charge. It may be 72 hours. I'm not sure.
That being the case, how could they hold him, if he hasn't been apprehended?
You're right. It's customary to inform the citizen of the charge, before being restrained.
But that protocol isn't followed in all circumstances.
Taft2016
Verified User
That's why there are supervisors. There's no "may" about it. The supervisor is responsible. If a cop makes a hinky collar, the supervisor is on the hook.
No, if there is no charge, or probable cause has been lost for any reason, the prisoner must be released immediately.
72 hours is the amount of time the District Attorney has to get an indictment if he/she wants the prisoner to be remanded to jail without bail.
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
is there a reason people keep ignoring this part?.....
Taft2016
Verified User
Because black lives matter... or some such thing.
"If a cop makes a hinky collar, the supervisor is on the hook." #72
The supervisor is on the hook to the chief. The chief is on the hook to the mayor, and the public.
And the arresting officer is on the hook to the supervisor. They're ALL on the hook. Thus my "CYA" in #68.
There isn't much grief if it's a good collar, an obviously solid case. The sup may want to examine the evidence, check the paperwork, insure details like chain of custody and incident report are correct.
The ones that make police command nervous are the ones where the arrestee in in suit & tie, and is golf buddies with the judge. *
The grillings tend to be when the sup shows up on scene of an incident in progress, and wants an update. That can be tricky, and is a huge opportunity for ball-busting.
* You're less likely to get arrested by a traffic COP if you're driving a clean late model Lexus, and wearing Armani, than if you commit the same infraction driving a rusted out Yugo, and wearing cut-off camo.
The supervisor is on the hook to the chief. The chief is on the hook to the mayor, and the public.
And the arresting officer is on the hook to the supervisor. They're ALL on the hook. Thus my "CYA" in #68.
There isn't much grief if it's a good collar, an obviously solid case. The sup may want to examine the evidence, check the paperwork, insure details like chain of custody and incident report are correct.
The ones that make police command nervous are the ones where the arrestee in in suit & tie, and is golf buddies with the judge. *
The grillings tend to be when the sup shows up on scene of an incident in progress, and wants an update. That can be tricky, and is a huge opportunity for ball-busting.
* You're less likely to get arrested by a traffic COP if you're driving a clean late model Lexus, and wearing Armani, than if you commit the same infraction driving a rusted out Yugo, and wearing cut-off camo.
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Wanted Murderer
is there a reason people keep ignoring this part?.....
"Ignoring"?
Not harping on it in every post doesn't mean it's ignored. Everybody's orgasmic about catching the bad guy.
The topic is: Stop & Frisk Captures Wanted Murderer - Trump Was Right
The studies I've read about assert Stop & Frisk isn't as much of a boon to law & order as its advocates would have us believe.
Wanted Murderer
is there a reason people keep ignoring this part?.....
"Ignoring"?
Not harping on it in every post doesn't mean it's ignored. Everybody's orgasmic about catching the bad guy.
The topic is: Stop & Frisk Captures Wanted Murderer - Trump Was Right
The studies I've read about assert Stop & Frisk isn't as much of a boon to law & order as its advocates would have us believe.
Taft2016
Verified User
Well, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. The contraband recovered over the years since the Terry decision belies your "studies."
Taft2016
Verified User
But on the upside, it is amazing watching this assclown explaining police work to me.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
then you'd have no problem with illegal immigrant checkpoints, right?
