State's Rights

I still can't believe that Libertarians are in charge of every level of government down there, and in fact caused this incident to happen, and yet refuse to own up to it.
 
Darla said:
Uh, this is my thread big guy. I'll come back whenever I want. I said I am done engaging your posts on this thread. Nothing more, nothing less. Don't go reading anything into that.
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I said 'I could give a fuck if you come back to this thread'... seriously... you accuse others of not being able to comprehend what is written. How the fuck did you get 'you can't come back to this thread' from what I wrote?

Of course you won't engage my posts... you have been avoiding any type of engagement of the issue since the OP. You continue to try and project your warped views of Libertarians in an effort to push your ideology. You are using the situation as I said to bash one ideology in favor of yours. If that is the type of person you are, by all means... continue propagating the falsehoods and using Martin's death for your attempts at political gain.
 
Onceler said:
I still can't believe that Libertarians are in charge of every level of government down there, and in fact caused this incident to happen, and yet refuse to own up to it.
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I can't believe that there are idiots who think State's rights advocates would somehow support letting a murderer walk free. That there are idiots that proclaim the state has failed (even though it has been less than a month since Martins murder). There are even more idiots that defend the first idiots proclamations. To compound their stupidity with ignorance, they have shown over and over again that they have no fucking clue what a Libertarian's beliefs are.

Truly amazing.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
sorta like when someone blames Libertarianism for the murder of a black teenager in a democrat majority community that accepted the self defense claim of the shooter, therefore states rights are whats wrong with the country?
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The first post doesn't blame Libertarianism for the murder of the blame teenager. It criticizes the state for that phony baloney conclusion of self-defense in the death of the black teenager at the hands of the so-called neighborhood watch guy.
 
Darla said:
Stop attacking rana because she objected to a couple of way over the line things you said. You have a problem with me, stick with me about it.

No one needed to object I can handle you, but some people think your bluster is scary and I guess they feel they need to intervene for me. Onceler tried to calm you down too. It's kinda funny.
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You can handle yourself quite nicely. His bluster isn't scary, it was mean and uncalled for, I mean Cypress, WTF?
 
christiefan915 said:
The first post doesn't blame Libertarianism for the murder of the blame teenager. It criticizes the state for that phony baloney conclusion of self-defense in the death of the black teenager at the hands of the so-called neighborhood watch guy.
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really... do link us up to where the State came to that conclusion.
 
cawacko said:
Isn't that what Darla's doing in her OP?
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Taking it step by step, here's the OP:

"It's weird how it's mostly white males who cry about state's rights, and who also tend to join the Libertarian party, the party that loves sausage - but not browned. Why they can't attract women is no mystery - cause hey, bitches be crazy! But their inability to attract black men has long been the rubik's cube of politics. No one can figure it out! "

Now here are some stats from the Cato Institute (page 16):

Libertarians

82% white male
7% black male

59% male
41% female

http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa580.pdf

So the demographics she mentioned are correct. Now regarding self-defense, here's a quote from the Libertarian party platform:

1.6 Self-Defense
The only legitimate use of force is in defense of individual rights — life, liberty, and justly acquired
property — against aggression. This right inheres in the individual, who may agree to be aided by
any other individual or group. We affirm the individual right recognized by the Second Amendment
to keep and bear arms, and oppose the prosecution of individuals for exercising their rights of self-defense.
We oppose all laws at any level of government requiring registration of, or restricting, the
ownership, manufacture, or transfer or sale of firearms or ammunition.

Zimmerman claimed "self-defense" against a teenager armed with Skittles and the authorities claimed he was justified in his actions. Isn't that what the Libertarian party would say, based on their platform? I'm not saying every Libertarian (or even any libertarian) agreed with the Florida authorities but you can't deny what's in the Lib party platform. And it seems to me that such an open-ended statement leaves plenty of wiggle room for personal interpretation.

http://www.lp.org/platform
 
Onceler said:
SF, you're reading too much into the OP, in my opinion. Darla can correct me if I'm wrong here, but she's not saying that "libertarians are responsible for this." She's saying that this is an example of why the Libertarian philosophy on state's rights would not work.
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Exactly! And the libertarians are doing their darnedest to steer it off into an irrelevant tangent.
 
christiefan915 said:
Taking it step by step, here's the OP:

"It's weird how it's mostly white males who cry about state's rights, and who also tend to join the Libertarian party, the party that loves sausage - but not browned. Why they can't attract women is no mystery - cause hey, bitches be crazy! But their inability to attract black men has long been the rubik's cube of politics. No one can figure it out! "

Now here are some stats from the Cato Institute (page 16):

Libertarians

82% white male
7% black male

59% male
41% female

http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa580.pdf

So the demographics she mentioned are correct.
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So to you saying mostly white men despite the fact 41% are women is correct? That 7% Black sounds low until you toss it into context. About 12.5% of the population as a whole is black. So it isn't that they are that far off.

Now regarding self-defense, here's a quote from the Libertarian party platform:

1.6 Self-Defense
The only legitimate use of force is in defense of individual rights — life, liberty, and justly acquired
property — against aggression. This right inheres in the individual, who may agree to be aided by
any other individual or group. We affirm the individual right recognized by the Second Amendment
to keep and bear arms, and oppose the prosecution of individuals for exercising their rights of self-defense.
We oppose all laws at any level of government requiring registration of, or restricting, the
ownership, manufacture, or transfer or sale of firearms or ammunition.

Zimmerman claimed "self-defense" against a teenager armed with Skittles and the authorities claimed he was justified in his actions. Isn't that what the Libertarian party would say, based on their platform? I'm not saying every Libertarian (or even any libertarian) agreed with the Florida authorities but you can't deny what's in the Lib party platform. And it seems to me that such an open-ended statement leaves plenty of wiggle room for personal interpretation.

http://www.lp.org/platform
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You do understand the difference between self defense and someone 'claiming' self defense.

As for these 'Florida authorities'... again, please provide a link to the State authorities that proclaimed they are sure it was self defense.
 
christiefan915 said:
Taking it step by step, here's the OP:

"It's weird how it's mostly white males who cry about state's rights, and who also tend to join the Libertarian party, the party that loves sausage - but not browned. Why they can't attract women is no mystery - cause hey, bitches be crazy! But their inability to attract black men has long been the rubik's cube of politics. No one can figure it out! "

Now here are some stats from the Cato Institute (page 16):

Libertarians

82% white male
7% black male

59% male
41% female

http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa580.pdf

So the demographics she mentioned are correct. Now regarding self-defense, here's a quote from the Libertarian party platform:

1.6 Self-Defense
The only legitimate use of force is in defense of individual rights — life, liberty, and justly acquired
property — against aggression. This right inheres in the individual, who may agree to be aided by
any other individual or group. We affirm the individual right recognized by the Second Amendment
to keep and bear arms, and oppose the prosecution of individuals for exercising their rights of self-defense.
We oppose all laws at any level of government requiring registration of, or restricting, the
ownership, manufacture, or transfer or sale of firearms or ammunition.

Zimmerman claimed "self-defense" against a teenager armed with Skittles and the authorities claimed he was justified in his actions. Isn't that what the Libertarian party would say, based on their platform? I'm not saying every Libertarian (or even any libertarian) agreed with the Florida authorities but you can't deny what's in the Lib party platform. And it seems to me that such an open-ended statement leaves plenty of wiggle room for personal interpretation.

http://www.lp.org/platform
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Yes Libertarians believe in the right of self-defense. But because someone who shoots someone else and claims it is in self-defense doesn't necessarily make it so. It's not like Libertarians don't believe in a court system or justice.
 
Superfreak said:
So to you saying mostly white men despite the fact 41% are women is correct? That 7% Black sounds low until you toss it into context. About 12.5% of the population as a whole is black. So it isn't that they are that far off.



You do understand the difference between self defense and someone 'claiming' self defense.

As for these 'Florida authorities'... again, please provide a link to the State authorities that proclaimed they are sure it was self defense.
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I hope you are not pretending that blacks and women vote for conservatives/republicans/ libertarians the way white males do? Blacks forget about it, that's a joke. And there is a very famous "gender gap" in politics, you may have heard of it?

The whole point of my post was to highlight something that I believe (it's okay with you that I have beliefs you haven't personally approved isn't it?). Which is; women and other minorities are far more friendly to a strong federal government because they have historically had a lot of experience in having their rights violated and denied locally, and needed the federal government to pass federal laws and to then enforce those laws.

I mean, this is not even radical stuff. You have read history right?
 
cawacko said:
Yes Libertarians believe in the right of self-defense. But because someone who shoots someone else and claims it is in self-defense doesn't necessarily make it so. It's not like Libertarians don't believe in a court system or justice.
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No no NO... Libertarians believe we can all go around shooting each other with no consequences. Wild wild west...
 
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