Startup says battery swapping your EV faster than filling your car up with gas

[Into the Night]

Do you realize where the batteries are in EVs ?
They are below the floorboards, you have to remove the interior of the car to get at them.
Unless you are going to use smaller batteries located under a hood or in a trunk.

Does this look swappable ?

The battery packs are removable without doing anything to the interior. They drop out the bottom. You have to disconnect the coolant lines though. After connecting the new pack, you have to refill that coolant system again.

 

[RB 60]

You are jealous because Biden is on the inside looking out- and your orange GOD is on the outside and can't get back in!

TRUMP!!

What does Biden or Trump have to do with battery powered cars (other than Biden trying to push them on us)?

 

[Nordberg]

The technology concerning the Li-ion battery and how to charge them hasn't changed much since the mid 80s.

EVs are not an advancement of technology.

Wrong. A Tesla can be charged in 15 to 20 minutes now. That is an advancement.

 

[Into the Night]

You're not really very smart, are you ColicGuy. The EV has to be designed to have a swappable battery.

Five surgeons were discussing which were the best patients on which to operate.
The first surgeon said, "I like to see accountants on my operating table, because when you open them up everything inside is numbered."
The second surgeon responded, "You should try electricians! Everything inside them is color coded."
The third surgeon said, "I really think librarians are the best. Everything inside them is in alphabetical order."
The fourth surgeon chimed in, "You know, I like construction workers...they always understand if you have a few parts left over in the end or if the job takes longer than you said it would."
But the fifth surgeon shut them all up with this observation, "You're all wrong. Republiclowns politicians are the easiest to operate on. There's no guts, no heart, no spine and the head and ass are interchangeable"

Okay. So design one.

 

[Into the Night]

Wrong. A Tesla can be charged in 15 to 20 minutes now. That is an advancement.

No, it isn't. 'Topping off' is not a charge either.

 

[Nordberg]

Blatant lie.
A Tesla Model 3 weighs as much a full sized pickup truck!

I can tow a trailer and tractor with my pickup truck too. Can't do THAT with a model 3! The Tesla can't tow anything!

Teslas are much lighter than many, many ICEs. The heaviest cars on the road are ICEs. https://vehiclecare.in/blaze/heaviest-cars-in-the-world-ranked/

 

[Into the Night]

This idea has not gone anywhere up till now. There is no indication anything has changed.

The idea still hasn't gone anywhere. This is a proposal, nothing more.

 

[Into the Night]

So, tell me. How does making a battery swappable reduce the range? Are you an electrical engineer?

I am both an electrical engineer and a mechanical engineer.

Amp hour rating of any battery is primarily due to it's size (and weight).

Maneuvering 1000 lb battery packs that are easily damaged and have liquid coolant lines in them is not exactly trivial.

 

[Into the Night]

I find it a bit sad that the right ALWAYS feels like they have to be a rain cloud on any good development in the area of alternative energy.

They just love those fossil fuels and all of their byproducts. It's infatuation, basically.

A battery is not 'alternative energy'.
Fossils aren't used as fuel. Fossils don't burn.

 

[Into the Night]

Because not a single sold in America EV is set up for Ample they need to remove the existing battery and set up the space for their modules. Do they replace it with for instance a Tesla quality battery? I tend to doubt it. I did a looking around and found no information on the range of Ample batteries compared to OEM, which is a bad sign.

An interesting point. Not all battery packs are constructed the same. Quality does vary from one brand to another.

The battery itself is just Li-ion. That was invented in the mid 80's and that battery has not changed since then much.

 

[Into the Night]

Its worth noting that this idea of battery swapping instead of charging was deader than a doornail till the Chinese resurrected it.

Cliche fallacies. Paradox. Once a door nail is dead, it stays dead. There is no resurrecting it.
The phrase relates to how door slabs are constructed using nails.

 

[Into the Night]

ICE technology for automobiles is over a hundred years old. Think about it. It was bound to happen.

No, it isn't.

The humble internal combustion engine has had a lot of changes and improvements over the years.

Cars no longer use magnetos. They have much higher compression due to better materials being available, giving them incredible horsepower and reliability. High tension ignition system are even a thing of the past, with newer cars commonly using low voltage systems (no thick ignition cables!). All newer engines are FADEC too, giving these engines much greater efficiency and reliability. Using better materials, they are much more lightweight than ever too. Even the gaskets used in them are vastly improved...no longer requiring replacement every 3000 miles or so, many of them will last for 100,000 or even 200,000 miles. Driver assist systems and improved sensors on the body of the car are just as good as anything Tesla ever produced, and in many cases, better. You don't have to hand crank them anymore either. A single 12v battery easily handles starting the engine and acts as an electrical ballast while the engine is running. Heating the cabin is basically free, using waste heat from the engine. Efficiency has gone from around 30% to around 50%. Their payload capacity has improved to the point of semi-trucks being common, and the diesel electric locomotive is used to haul entire trainloads of payload. Improvements in engine design and their lightweight nature makes them practical for use in aircraft. They are easy to fuel, easier than ever to maintain with commonly available tools, last a long time (there are still cars from the 50's driving around!), and are capable of higher and higher speeds and working in harsh or remote environments with little trouble. They're far cheaper then an EV too, both to buy and to maintain.

 

[Into the Night]

Note to Joey wet panties. EV's preceded gasoline powered vehicles.

The Li-ion battery, invented in the mid 80s, has change little in all that time too.

Tesla works well because of a well designed motor, but the cost of the thing is quite high.

 

[Into the Night]

If you looked at the picture I sent you would see that the battery is the size of the entire space between the four wheels. This is necessary to distribute the 1-2000 pounds that the battery weighs. If you condense the same cubic inches it would fill the trunk which could render it swappable but place far too much weight on the rear tires to make it safe to drive.

If you get the weight down enough to allow for the physics the range would be vastly reduced.

You really need to learn something about how EVs work which includes how they are built.

Putting the battery in a cube that 'fits in the trunk' increases the cooling requirements too. These battery packs are already liquid cooled.
Joe Capitalist never understood the importance of center of gravity in any vehicle, including any car.

 

[Into the Night]

That is like saying gasoline powered cars are impossible, because teenage girls will never siphon their own gasoline out of a tank... We have mechanized tools that will replace the battery for them. They drive over the device, the device removes the huge battery from below the car, and puts in a new battery. The whole process takes well under a minute, and you are good to go.

Is this the future? Maybe or maybe not. But smarter people than TinkerBell are coming up with better ideas that they are testing now.

They are NOT testing now. It will take much longer than a minute.

 

[Into the Night]

If it works, only the rich will be able to afford one.

True, but that's rather true of the EV anyway.

 

[Lionfish]

The Li-ion battery, invented in the mid 80s, has change little in all that time too.

Tesla works well because of a well designed motor, but the cost of the thing is quite high.

Lithium-ino batteries are not the answer. Sodium will be better. but.......................

 

[Into the Night]

Liar...I own your ass. You can't help yourself.

Assumption of victory fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

Did you also know that cars can travel a mile in under a minute? This is much easier. It is moving two batteries a few yards.

What a rube.

No, the battery must be dismounted, moved out of the way, a replacement pack mounted, the coolant system refilled and purged, and then you can drive away with your questionable battery pack, leaving yet another dead pack to the pile to be recharged (still limited how many you can recharge at once, dude!).
This is precision work involving 2000lbs of easily damaged battery packs.

 

[Into the Night]

It is proprietary technology, so they are trying to keep it under control. I have seen videos of it happening, but they are very careful to control the angles of the video so we cannot see the connectors. The connectors are where success or failure will happen. There is no difficulty in moving a battery a few yards in a minute. The difficulty is in a reliable connector.

Blatant lies. You have NOT seen videos of it happening, since it hasn't happened yet!