Startup says battery swapping your EV faster than filling your car up with gas

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You realize don't you that California already has rolling blackouts and that's BEFORE they ban ICEs. It can't be a conspiracy if it's happening dumbo.

It is a conspiracy. The Democrat party is a conspiracy.

 

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LOL. Buy more tin foil. Your hats aren't thick enough yet.

Tin isn't used as foil much anymore. Aluminum is the favored material. Unfortunately, smelting aluminum isn't possible in a place that has a lot of blackouts, like California.

 

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Call me when we have 145,000 of these battery stations up and going like we have gas stations.

It's worse than that.

Let's say (just for giggles) that you somehow create a practical way of dismounting a 1000lb battery, disconnecting it's coolant lines, and installing a replacement pack (without damaging anything, especially either pack, which are easily damaged).
Now the station has a bunch of packs that are discharged. How is it going to charge them? Cars are coming in faster than packs that can be charged.

At least with gas stations, they have tanks in the ground that they regularly fill by ordering more from the local distributor and is easily delivered by truck.
Those distributors in turn receive regular deliveries from the refineries...and so on.

About 10 gallons of gasoline weighing about 60lbs will take a car about as long as a 1000lb EV battery fully charged. It's a LOT easier to manage pumping 10 gallons of liquid around.

 

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Thank GOD in heaven that in about 1900 they IMMEDIATELY developed a complete trans-national gasoline station infrastructure. Otherwise we wouldn't have ICE vehicles today!

Oh wait, no that isn't how it happened AT ALL.

Huh. It's almost like those those who don't know history are trying to write a fictionalized account of how technological advancements work. If you don't like technological advancements just hush up and enjoy the benefits like you do right now.

EVs are not an advancement of technology.

 

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They'd need to create a standard if we were to do this between differently designed vehicles. I could see it working better than sitting for half an hour every time you need to "fill up".

That's the least of it.

1000lb batteries are much more difficult to manage than 60lbs of gasoline. Both give the same range.
These batteries are easily damaged, destroying the entire pack. This damage can also result in a battery fire, difficult to put out. These batteries burn like a firework. Imagine a 1000lb firework and you'll see what I mean. A stack of several of these things sitting around is ripe for a spectacular fire!
These batteries are also liquid cooled while in the car, making dismounting them more difficult, since those coolant lines will have to be disconnected and the system refilled after installation of the replacement pack.

Then there is still the problem of charging the packs. You still need to use all that energy to charge them, and you don't have sufficient distribution lines to handle more than a few packs at a time. Cars are delivering dead packs faster than you can charge them. Now what?

All this does is add yet another layer of complexity and a massive expense to the construction of the car and battery pack. Maneuvering around a 1000lb battery pack is going to take longer than filling up a 10 gallon tank!

 

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Do you recall ENRON? nah, I'm sure you don't.

You are SO SCARED of technological advancement. Do you have someone else post online for you? It must be REALLY scary to be so close to a robot or a computer.

Technohypocrisy is a problem I guess.

EVs are not an advancement of technology.

 

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I know a man a partner in a company that does it with electric forklifts. Amazon is experimenting with them now. Their system is fully automated and takes 90 seconds.

A considerably smaller vehicle that runs much slower and requires less power. Special equipment is still required to maneuver the heavy batteries around. These batteries are also the counterweight for the forklift. Amazon's forklifts are no different.

 

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It is abundantly clear you have no connection whatsoever with Research and Development. It's folks like you that make R&D such a tough gig...always having to explain to the cavemen how this new fangled "wheel" is better than dragging.

EVs are not an advancement of technology.

 

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LOL. I know about it far better than you.

Blatant lie.

 

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Impressive. How many miles does the forklift log in a shift? It's just one battery?

This arrangement is expensive (you need the specialized equipment to handle it plus the additional battery packs), but it does give the forklift the ability to keep moving while it's other pack is being charged. These packs are heavy, anywhere from 1000 to 4000lbs. They also act as a counterweight to the forklift.
The charging area must be separated from the mount/dismount area, due to the nature of hydrogen gas and electrolyte hazards while maneuvering these things around.

 

[Into the Night]

I think a flow battery system could work better. You could pull into a station and pump new electrolyte into the vehicle. The electrolyte can be recharged and available for other customers. The electrolyte can be salt water but many different chemical components can be used.

The electrolyte does not contain the charge.

 

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Not sure how many miles but with a 90second exchange time it really isn't that important. Need more battery changes just add another charging station. The batteries are pretty large.

It takes more than 90 seconds.

 

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How heavy are cars? Car repair shops jack them up and down all day long with no problem.

An EV coupe such as the Tesla Model 3 weighs more than a pickup truck.
Jacking up a car is no problem (you have to do it anyway to remove the battery pack). The problem is the ADDITIONAL jacking needed to mount/dismount the battery pack, which is easily damaged. Remember there are also coolant lines that must be disconnected and that system refilled and with each change.

The operation is going to take quite a bit longer than refilling a gasoline car!

Then what do you have? A bunch of discharged packs that need to be charged, and more EVs coming in with dead packs all the time. You STILL are limited on how many packs you can charge at once and how long it takes to charge them.
You also have a much higher risk of battery fire.

 

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I imagine people told the Wright brothers they would never fly!

EVs are not an advancement of technology. They are not an airplane.

Heavier than air flight had already been achieved before the Wright brothers...by gliders.

 

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Well regardless, the world is switching to EVs so who can figure out the best ways will become vastly rich

The world is not switching to EVs, despite the numerous laws attempting to mandate them.

Less than 1% of the cars on the road are EVs.

 

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I think this is a fantastic idea.......gosh if we had twenty or thirty batteries available for every electric vehicle out there EVs would be practical even for people who need to drive farther than the grocery store.....but I wonder, who's going to pay for all those batteries?......

Or charge them? Remember, they still have to be charged, and the loads on the electrical system are still there.

 

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The technology of all things electric cars is improving rapidly. The atavists are not going to grab hold of the future. But it will grab them someday soon.

The technology concerning the Li-ion battery and how to charge them hasn't changed much since the mid 80s.

EVs are not an advancement of technology.

 

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We'll probably end up with life-size slot cars before they figure out how to do this the best way.

Won't work. Cars have different places to go. Slot cars are stuck in the slot.
Such a roadway would be horrifically expensive as well...not just to build it, but to power it and maintain it.

 

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There are a huge amount of ICEs that are heavier than EVs. That is nothing. Americans love their huge vehicles.

Not many. Just things like larger trucks and semi-trucks (which require special lifting equipment).

Yes. Americans love their huge vehicles. So?

 

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False equivalency? The weight is decided on one thing, how many pounds they weigh. The ICEs are the heaviest cars on the road, by far.

Blatant lie.
A Tesla Model 3 weighs as much a full sized pickup truck!

I can tow a trailer and tractor with my pickup truck too. Can't do THAT with a model 3! The Tesla can't tow anything!