Starbucks raises worker wages except if unionized

[Celticguy]

Management loves them, union workers don’t want them. As this thread proves, the authoritarians on both the Left and the Right support corporate domination of workers…and tacitly supporting illegals.

I doubt there are many illegals at starbucks due to language.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

I have a lot of it here too. They are typically hired by an American. Nobody speaks English, and they obey orders to a letter, with no ability to think on the fly. The owner shows up, gets them working, and then leaves.

So...I saw plumbing workers that attached new Pex to rotten copper lines. But... they were told to run new Pex from 'here' to 'here'. The fact that a hidden rotten water source was found after the boss left doesn't matter. They did exactly what they were told.

Guys were running chain link fence around a rather large price of property. First they cleared the saplings from the property lines, cutting trees, poly water lines, and anything else that was in their way. This is a summer community that I've been familiar with for more than 25 years. I used to be friendly with the old owners, but they sold recently to ultra orthodox Jews who bring contractors up from the city. All Spanish labor. After they were done and the new summer people moved in, one unit had problems with the sewer main.


That isn't possible, because I fixed that line with my friend a year prior. I surveyed the property, and told them exactly what happened. The fence crew was digging fence post holes, and came across white PVC pipe a few feet down. What did they do? They kept digging, broke the line, and filled the hole with concrete and a fence post. Now they needed a crew with a backhoe to dig the line and repair a large section.

I'm always finding 14 wire on receptacles with 20 amp breakers. As I mentioned earlier...roofing is one thing. Other construction trades really need to spend the money on real help.

Yep, if it works and looks good on the outside, it's all fine with them even if they burn your house down or flood it. I'm used to their work so I can go behind them and force them to make it right, but I'm an exception in having trade skills and experience. A lot of the contractors do speak Spanish so they're good that way, but leaving their guys to work unsupervised is a mistake. I know enough Spanish to get by but that's it.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

That wasn't the question. You claimed that illegals aren't taking away middle class jobs, and then you argued the opposite.

Which is it?

Perhaps we disagree on “middle class job”. You think minimum wage is “middle class”, I do not.

However, since you’ve revealed yourself to be a pro-management lackey, I can understand why you believe the Middle Class exists on $7.50/hour.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-ta...e-class-has-changed-in-the-past-five-decades/

 

[Althea]

Says the anti-unionist/pro-management lackey . Corporations looooove illegals; they charge customers the price of full paid labor then pocket the difference by paying illegals a substandard wage.

LOL. Back atcha. Read the thread to find my position on unions. I know trumpco loves illegals. Do you know of any other corporations that hire illegals, save for the agriculture/hospitality industry?

Do you need to be reminded how your hero Reagan busted the air traffic control union, because of their disgusting greed? As I've stated in every union discussion...I'm anti union, but I defend their right to collectively bargain. Nobody I know that is in a union doesn't love it. What's not to love? Especially unskilled labor. I would gladly take a union job if I wasn't self employed.

That doesn't mean that unions do not drive up the cost of everything they touch, and have caused millions of jobs to be offshored. There was a time when unions were necessary, and it seems that time is returning thanks to Red state legislatures.

In a perfect world, there would be fair wages for all workers. But we don't live in a fair world, and the largest unions are whores who have ridiculous demands.

UAW shot themselves in the foot back in '08. I have plenty of union stories both from small business employers, to Postal Worker who bragged about doing nothing at work.

I've been a scab on a few huge construction jobs. I've had various foremen all but kiss me because I came to them when I found a problem, rather than just cover it up like the other crews would have.

 

[Althea]

Perhaps we disagree on “middle class job”. You think minimum wage is “middle class”, I do not.

However, since you’ve revealed yourself to be a pro-management lackey, I can understand why you believe the Middle Class exists on $7.50/hour.

Stop lying, and re read the stuff you've posted previously. You're all twisted here.

I'm not pro management. That's the problem with you mindless union sheep. It's us/them, all the time. I'm management AND labor, because I'm competent enough to be self employed.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I doubt there are many illegals at starbucks due to language.

Pro-management lackeys know that the corporations don’t put illegals up front with the customers. They put them in the back emptying the trash and bring them in at night to clean up.

 

[Althea]

Yep, if it works and looks good on the outside, it's all fine with them even if they burn your house down or flood it. I'm used to their work so I can go behind them and force them to make it right, but I'm an exception in having trade skills and experience. A lot of the contractors do speak Spanish so they're good that way, but leaving their guys to work unsupervised is a mistake. I know enough Spanish to get by but that's it.

I know a kid who does a lot of roofing. They're fine for that, although there's no guarantee the shingles are properly nailed all the time.

On the job I described previously, it had nothing to do with me. I watched these crews work on the summer colony, but I really had nothing to do with it. It became my problem when they moved in and needed me every day to get things functioning properly. It's been three seasons, and most of the work is falling apart.

Most of the faucets in the baths/kitchens are loose. I'm not sure what they did with the nuts?

 

[Althea]

Pro-management lackeys know that the corporations don’t put illegals up front with the customers. They put them in the back emptying the trash and bring them in at night to clean up.

Around here, all of the diners have Spanish cooks/kitchen staff. Most of the restaurants too. After decades, one of these Spanish guys bought a diner that we frequent all the time. He used to work in the back.

I always joke about the odds of Americans being in the kitchen.


These are the jobs that pay nothing. If they are willing to work for that pay, then it will continue to happen. As I said, they cram 3 families into one house, and still live better than they did in their country of origin.

 

[Celticguy]

Pro-management lackeys know that the corporations don’t put illegals up front with the customers. They put them in the back emptying the trash and bring them in at night to clean up.

I hope you limbered up prior to that stretch. Ever been in a Starbucks ? There is no "back" they clean as they go.

 

[Althea]

Immigrants certainly do not like unions, money for nothing.

How exactly do you know that?

 

[Celticguy]

How exactly do you know that?

just ask them.

they love working, will work 7 days a week if you let them. They are actively trying to make money. Being more valuable than the next guy puts more money in his pocket. they also show up on the 1st day of deer season, never call in sick unless they really are sick and dont leave early for chuch softball.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I hope you limbered up prior to that stretch. Ever been in a Starbucks ? There is no "back" they clean as they go.

Pay seven fucking dollars for a $2 coffee? Not me!

Regardless, it’s standard corporate procedure to hide the illegals. Put them at the warehouse then.

 

[Althea]

just ask them.

they love working, will work 7 days a week if you let them. They are actively trying to make money. Being more valuable than the next guy puts more money in his pocket. they also show up on the 1st day of deer season, never call in sick unless they really are sick and dont leave early for chuch softball.

There's absolutely no question that their work ethic far exceeds that of any union laborer. Any American, for that matter. That's because the book of tasks you AREN'T required to do is much larger than the converse.

And, in this country the concept of working all you want and keeping that money, as opposed to the govt. knocking down your door and taking it, is very appealing.

But...given the choice to work much less and earn the same would be appealing to anyone. If they're legal.

 

[Althea]

Pay seven fucking dollars for a $2 coffee? Not me!

Regardless, it’s standard corporate procedure to hide the illegals. Put them at the warehouse then.

Again. I'm not sure what corporations you are talking about? Housekeeping staff is about as visible as you can get. Same for construction.

I'm not quite sure how Starbucks stays in business? I make the best coffee in the world, and it costs pennies per mug.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Again. I'm not sure what corporations you are talking about? Housekeeping staff is about as visible as you can get. Same for construction.

I'm not quite sure how Starbucks stays in business? I make the best coffee in the world, and it costs pennies per mug.

Yet corporate cocksuckers like you support deporting the illegals and not doing a damn thing to your corporate overlords.

 

[Celticguy]

There's absolutely no question that their work ethic far exceeds that of any union laborer. Any American, for that matter. That's because the book of tasks you AREN'T required to do is much larger than the converse.

And, in this country the concept of working all you want and keeping that money, as opposed to the govt. knocking down your door and taking it, is very appealing.

But...given the choice to work much less and earn the same would be appealing to anyone. If they're legal.

The government fails us in properly addressing illegals.

If it created a new class of temp visa along the lines of the one they made for migrant ag workers where they come in for a specific period (harvesting typically since its AG) move up and down the coast following the crop cycles then going back home, that would be good. no govt benefits, predictable impacts and managed.

open borders hurts everyone.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

The government fails us in properly addressing illegals.

If it created a new class of temp visa along the lines of the one they made for migrant ag workers where they come in for a specific period (harvesting typically since its AG) move up and down the coast following the crop cycles then going back home, that would be good. no govt benefits, predictable impacts and managed.

open borders hurts everyone.

The Federal government is controlled by the two major parties and they, in turn, are beholding to their corporate benefactors while tossing red meat and lies to their constituents who, in turn, believe the lies and treat the red meat as they main sustenance.

The Wall is a smokescreen. The problem is a Congress which doesn’t hold accountable those drawing illegals to this country.

 

[American Man]

A corporation wants to punish unionized workers?

Wow. I am so shocked.

 

[Althea]

The government fails us in properly addressing illegals.

If it created a new class of temp visa along the lines of the one they made for migrant ag workers where they come in for a specific period (harvesting typically since its AG) move up and down the coast following the crop cycles then going back home, that would be good. no govt benefits, predictable impacts and managed.

open borders hurts everyone.

The 'open borders' argument is one that Republicans need as a wedge issue, and will never correct. Under Obama, the Senate overwhelmingly passed a bi partisan comprehensive immigration bill.

Penalties, mandatory military service, and a host of regulations aimed at cleaning up the mess. Two separate Republican House Speakers refused to bring it to a vote because it would pass overwhelmingly.

We will never see a remedy as long as these septuagenarian/octogenarian fucks are running the nation.

 

[Althea]

A corporation wants to punish unionized workers?

Wow. I am so shocked.

They will try and fail. Starbucks just proved that unions work.