Starbucks raises worker wages except if unionized

[Althea]

The Federal government is controlled by the two major parties and they, in turn, are beholding to their corporate benefactors while tossing red meat and lies to their constituents who, in turn, believe the lies and treat the red meat as they main sustenance.

The Wall is a smokescreen. The problem is a Congress which doesn’t hold accountable those drawing illegals to this country.

You are aware that Ralph Nader fired his severely overworked staffers who tried to unionize?

 

[Althea]

Yet corporate cocksuckers like you support deporting the illegals and not doing a damn thing to your corporate overlords.

Dude. You're off the rails because I'm not pro union? You might want to stick to your troll patrol. You seem to love it. I don't have the time. Go ahead, you who are the master of message board searches.

Find one comment I ever made about deporting anyone but trump's inlaws.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

You are aware that Ralph Nader fired his severely overworked staffers who tried to unionize?

No. Why should I? He’s clearly another liberal hypocrite. I was a staunch Republican until after 2012.

You are aware that Ralph Nader fired his severely overworked staffers who tried to unionize?

No. Why should I? He’s clearly another liberal hypocrite. I was a staunch Republican until after 2012.

Dude. You're off the rails because I'm not pro union? You might want to stick to your troll patrol. You seem to love it. I don't have the time. Go ahead, you who are the master of message board searches.

Find one comment I ever made about deporting anyone but trump's inlaws.

Exaggerate and lie all you like. The fact you don’t see the difference between being pro-union and anti-union is clear to me. Maybe to others too.

 

[Sailor]

That's SOP for many large companies. Years ago I worked a union job at Honeywell. The guys doing the same job in a non-union plant in another city was making $3.00 mor an hour. That is one reason I dislike unions. BTW same benefits package at both places.

Except the union bosses have a whole much better benefit and wage package than the workers.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

I know a kid who does a lot of roofing. They're fine for that, although there's no guarantee the shingles are properly nailed all the time.

On the job I described previously, it had nothing to do with me. I watched these crews work on the summer colony, but I really had nothing to do with it. It became my problem when they moved in and needed me every day to get things functioning properly. It's been three seasons, and most of the work is falling apart.

Most of the faucets in the baths/kitchens are loose. I'm not sure what they did with the nuts?

I could make guesses, but without seeing it I couldn't tell you for sure. I have that expert "eye" where I can look at this sort of stuff and tell you what's the issue. First saw that as an E-5 with this ancient looking Captain who came aboard one of ships I was on as an 'expert' in damage control and readiness. The guy could 'see' every issue in a compartment in a second. I heard Admiral Rickover was that way too, being one of his "children" in the nuclear power program.

The GC's I do electrical for right now trust me to get that right and to quietly point out any of the stuff their Hispanics do wrong. One guy's lead, a Hispanic named "John" (who's legal and has a record--I confronted him on that first time we met and now he's cool with me) knows better than to bullshit me for a second. His workers Tomas and Arturo know it too. They know I'll overlook minor stuff but will stick them in a second for anything serious.

 

[Lightbringer]

Except the union bosses have a whole much better benefit and wage package than the workers.

Truth.

 

[RB 60]

Not here in DFW, I see gas as cheap as 3.59 a gallon.

And I use my Kroger card and get an extra 30 cents a gallon off at Kroger and Shell stations.

I just did a Gas Buddy search, and it lists gasoline for $3.35 a gallon at Smart Mart In Pottstown, PA as of 3 hours ago- A little closer to you!

https://www.gasbuddy.com/gasprices/pennsylvania

Gas is up to $4.50 again. diesel is up over $3.00 from last year

 

[Lightbringer]

Gas is up to $4.50 again. diesel is up over $3.00 from last year

Akshually..it's up a little more than that.

 

[RB 60]

Akshually..it's up a little more than that.

I didn't want to exaggerate. You know how triggered Mr. Lizard can get!

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Except the union bosses have a whole much better benefit and wage package than the workers.

Oh that goes without saying.

 

[Althea]

No. Why should I? He’s clearly another liberal hypocrite. I was a staunch Republican until after 2012.


No. Why should I? He’s clearly another liberal hypocrite. I was a staunch Republican until after 2012.



Exaggerate and lie all you like. The fact you don’t see the difference between being pro-union and anti-union is clear to me. Maybe to others too.

Nice dodge. You must have had a bad night.

You hail third party candidates, but the mother of all third candidates is no better than the other whores.

And yes. I'm anti union. So was Reagan. I'm capable of seeing their value though, whereas you are blinded to the negative aspects.

 

[Althea]

Except the union bosses have a whole much better benefit and wage package than the workers.

And they consistently misuse funds. And they incite walkouts that will bring severe hardship to the workers, as the bosses go home and eat prime rib.

Unions are necessary to hold employers accountable, but many have festered into something that isn't recognizable. And others collect dues, but are impotent.

 

[Althea]

I could make guesses, but without seeing it I couldn't tell you for sure. I have that expert "eye" where I can look at this sort of stuff and tell you what's the issue. .

To clarify, I know exactly what the problems are. Re. faucets, I just want to know what the hell they did with the plastic 1/2" nuts that secure the faucet to the counter? They're gone. WTF went on here?

 

[Althea]

Beautiful illustration


Supply chains: High stakes port labor negotiations begin on the West Coast

Among other key findings being highlighted is that the automated machinery can stack containers higher, closer together, and more efficiently for transfer to trucks or trains.
“Critically, the study found that automation has not reduced job opportunities for dockworkers, as many workers have traditionally feared,” the authors concluded. “The gains in output in Los Angeles and Long Beach mean that contrary to fears of job losses, automation has increased, not reduced, ILWU jobs and work opportunities, including training and upskilling.”
On Friday, ILWU International President Willie Adams cited the need for a deal that protects both workers and the economy while denouncing efforts to automate marine terminals.
"To strengthen America's economy, it's not enough for ports to hold the best economic cards; they have to play them in ways that help the American workers who make, grow, and move the things we need for our lives," Adams wrote.

No. This isn't us/them, as this thread has exposed from the 'union or bust' mentality. This is a group who puts limits on productivity in order to protect job security.

"It's not enough for the ports to hold the best economic cards"

Obviously, the American economy is suffering right now due to productivity issues at the ports. Automation does not decrease jobs in this instance. It increases productivity which we are desperate for right now.

I'd love to see the pay/benefits these union workers get right now, and what they are demanding in negotiations.

 

[Althea]

Beautiful illustration


Supply chains: High stakes port labor negotiations begin on the West Coast


No. This isn't us/them, as this thread has exposed from the 'union or bust' mentality. This is a group who puts limits on productivity in order to protect job security.

"It's not enough for the ports to hold the best economic cards"

Obviously, the American economy is suffering right now due to productivity issues at the ports. Automation does not decrease jobs in this instance. It increases productivity which we are desperate for right now.

I'd love to see the pay/benefits these union workers get right now, and what they are demanding in negotiations.

https://www.businessinsider.com/port-la-dock-workers-longshoremen-make-100k-salary-overtime-2021-9


[h=1]Meet the Port of Los Angeles' dock workers who make over $100,000 working with some of the world's largest robots[/h]

 

[T. A. Gardner]

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Supply chains: High stakes port labor negotiations begin on the West Coast


No. This isn't us/them, as this thread has exposed from the 'union or bust' mentality. This is a group who puts limits on productivity in order to protect job security.

"It's not enough for the ports to hold the best economic cards"

Obviously, the American economy is suffering right now due to productivity issues at the ports. Automation does not decrease jobs in this instance. It increases productivity which we are desperate for right now.

I'd love to see the pay/benefits these union workers get right now, and what they are demanding in negotiations.

A good part of the problem with California ports is the recently passed AB 5 bill that all but ends "gig work" and owner-operators who are under contract with a trucking company. This bill requires that such workers now be employees of the company rather than independent contractors.
The unions pushed this bill through in good part hoping that it would force more truck drivers into union shops and make them dues paying.

https://www.ab5law.org/

Many independent truckers didn't want that so they left the state to drive somewhere else rather than be forced into a union job with a trucking company. Politifact tries to say this problem is "Mostly False," but reading their article it's clearly "Mostly True."

. The Los Angeles Times reported in 2019 that out of approximately 13,000 truckers who serve the ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach, just a few hundred are classified as employees. Most are considered "owner operators" who often lease their rigs from trucking companies, drive under those companies’ permits and rely on them for work.

At the time AB 5 passed, industry experts said that some owner-operators sought work elsewhere. Some fleets, too, chose to stop doing business with owner-operators in California.

Truck drivers have been exempt from the gig worker bill since it was passed and the state’s clean air regulations have been in place since 2008. While the rules may have had some impact on trucking decisions in the state, the post overstates how much and omits the major role the pandemic has played.

https://www.politifact.com/factchec...rnias-trucking-regulations-may-have-had-impa/

What has happened is AB 5 is increasingly being enforced now, where it wasn't in 2021 before Biden got elected. With that it increased the shortage of drivers further and quickly resulting in too few drivers at California ports. Note how this issue didn't crop up at ports on the US East Coast or in the Caribbean. The only thing that changed was California's laws regarding gig workers.

 

[Althea]

A good part of the problem with California ports is the recently passed AB 5 bill that all but ends "gig work" and owner-operators who are under contract with a trucking company. This bill requires that such workers now be employees of the company rather than independent contractors.
The unions pushed this bill through in good part hoping that it would force more truck drivers into union shops and make them dues paying.

https://www.ab5law.org/

Many independent truckers didn't want that so they left the state to drive somewhere else rather than be forced into a union job with a trucking company. Politifact tries to say this problem is "Mostly False," but reading their article it's clearly "Mostly True."


https://www.politifact.com/factchec...rnias-trucking-regulations-may-have-had-impa/

What has happened is AB 5 is increasingly being enforced now, where it wasn't in 2021 before Biden got elected. With that it increased the shortage of drivers further and quickly resulting in too few drivers at California ports. Note how this issue didn't crop up at ports on the US East Coast or in the Caribbean. The only thing that changed was California's laws regarding gig workers.

The companies were getting the better deal with the gig drivers. No FICA/Health insurance for gig workers. They might be covering liability issues, but they're making out. The company gets the lease money in exchange for offering a permit umbrella.

Probably saves the drivers a lot of money and hassle.

This is more than likely the unions buying legislation. Of course, everything is askew because of Covid. Demand for all labor disappeared. Transport demand fell, but was still a necessity.

In the east, a lot of the unions...especially in NYC...are married to the mob. The docks are just as corrupt.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

The companies were getting the better deal with the gig drivers. No FICA/Health insurance for gig workers. They might be covering liability issues, but they're making out. The company gets the lease money in exchange for offering a permit umbrella.

Probably saves the drivers a lot of money and hassle.

This is more than likely the unions buying legislation. Of course, everything is askew because of Covid. Demand for all labor disappeared. Transport demand fell, but was still a necessity.

In the east, a lot of the unions...especially in NYC...are married to the mob. The docks are just as corrupt.

AB 5 was all about unions wanting to force gig workers into joining by making them employees of companies that had unions. The bill was written by the AFL-CIO so what would you expect? It's interesting that a large number of professional jobs were you might be self-employed under contract were exempted from inclusion like engineers and doctors. The bill targeted blue collar working jobs.

Uber and Lyft drivers were a big target, and the unions wasted no time in getting into (secret) talks with these companies to unionize their now employees.

 

[Althea]

AB 5 was all about unions wanting to force gig workers into joining by making them employees of companies that had unions. The bill was written by the AFL-CIO so what would you expect? It's interesting that a large number of professional jobs were you might be self-employed under contract were exempted from inclusion like engineers and doctors. The bill targeted blue collar working jobs.

Uber and Lyft drivers were a big target, and the unions wasted no time in getting into (secret) talks with these companies to unionize their now employees.

Any data on whether the gig drivers are better off now? They should be getting bennies from the employer. Ultimately, this will result in lower productivity. As per usual, the union threat/lobbying forced rideshare companies to offer modest benefits to drivers, which makes the argument that every worker benefits from union fights.

Of course, reading the talking points during the fight ignores the fact that using driver hour data from the pandemic era doesn't give an accurate depiction of just how many hours these drivers typically work.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Starbucks earnings came in very good today.