Some questions: Question #3.

Ross Dolan

Ross Dolan

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During my long lifetime, I have heard a gazillion politicians promise to create more jobs for people...essentially to create more work for us to do.

I have never heard a politician promise to create more opportunities for leisure time…for less work so that their constituents could spend more time with the family…or keep the yard in better shape…or clean the garage and attic…or play more golf…or do any of the many things most of us would rather be doing than going to work.

Why do you think that is?

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Ross Dolan said:
During my long lifetime, I have heard a gazillion politicians promise to create more jobs for people...essentially to create more work for us to do.

I have never heard a politician promise to create more opportunities for leisure time…for less work so that their constituents could spend more time with the family…or keep the yard in better shape…or clean the garage and attic…or play more golf…or do any of the many things most of us would rather be doing than going to work.

Why do you think that is?

You might want to check these out:

This

Or this
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The smartest people in politics know that nobody really wants any honesty in politics.

They want to hear the stuff that they grew up hearing.
Hard work is good.
The devil finds work for idle hands.
Don't always think of your own pleasure and entertainment and recreation when you have responsibilities to meet.

On a subconscious level, we all know for certain that it's all bullshit.
Young people in particular want to eat, drink, fuck, play, and have a few laughs.
Few, however, have anything approaching the courage to endorse this on the conscious level.

That takes being willing to be a party of one until others find the courage as well,
and there are few signs of that being likely to happen with many people.

A good politician is a benign con man,
because a brutally honest one never gets prominent enough
for any of us to have heard of her or him.
 
Ross Dolan said:
During my long lifetime, I have heard a gazillion politicians promise to create more jobs for people...essentially to create more work for us to do.

I have never heard a politician promise to create more opportunities for leisure time…for less work so that their constituents could spend more time with the family…or keep the yard in better shape…or clean the garage and attic…or play more golf…or do any of the many things most of us would rather be doing than going to work.

Why do you think that is?

You might want to check these out:

This

Or this
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Protestant work ethic this country inherited. Focusing on leisure time as a matter of public policy isn't good politics.

I have heard politicians say we should have mandatory paid vacation.
 
In the past it has been because the system requires GDP growth to survive, thus the citizens doing less work is an existential problem. The WOKE Death Cult which runs America now has dispatched with that, figuring that they can keep the last decades of economic fraud going with the continued creation of dollars and debt.

It wont work....America is crashing.....the collapse of America can no longer be stopped.
 
I think you are wrong.....the left practically thrives on the politics of making corporations provide incomes for people who don't work......
 
Cypress said:
Protestant work ethic this country inherited. Focusing on leisure time as a matter of public policy isn't good politics.

I have heard politicians say we should have mandatory paid vacation.
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We will be discussing this at greater length as this thing progresses.

As for policy...IT SHOULD FOCUS ON INSURING THAT ALL PEOPLE HAVE A HELL OF A LOT MORE LEISURE TIME THAN THEY HAVE NOW.

Why are we humans working harder now to "just get by" than we were before the infusion of BILLIONS of mechanical slaves into the work force?

It makes no sense.
 
Ross Dolan said:
During my long lifetime, I have heard a gazillion politicians promise to create more jobs for people...essentially to create more work for us to do.

I have never heard a politician promise to create more opportunities for leisure time…for less work so that their constituents could spend more time with the family…or keep the yard in better shape…or clean the garage and attic…or play more golf…or do any of the many things most of us would rather be doing than going to work.

Why do you think that is?

You might want to check these out:

This

Or this
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Because we are a nation of workaholics. Americans value work.
 
Cypress said:
Protestant work ethic this country inherited. Focusing on leisure time as a matter of public policy isn't good politics.

I have heard politicians say we should have mandatory paid vacation.
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And we should. Other nations do.

Socially regressive conservatives regard things that more advanced nations have done since World War II
as radical socialist ideas.

I find them to be so parochial and obtuse that I can't seem to share civil discourse with most of them.
They're simply in love with American social obsolescence,
and we all suffer from it--including they themselves.
 
Ross Dolan said:
During my long lifetime, I have heard a gazillion politicians promise to create more jobs for people...essentially to create more work for us to do.

I have never heard a politician promise to create more opportunities for leisure time…for less work so that their constituents could spend more time with the family…or keep the yard in better shape…or clean the garage and attic…or play more golf…or do any of the many things most of us would rather be doing than going to work.

Why do you think that is?

You might want to check these out:

This

Or this
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It's because we created a thing called a "work ethic" and to talk about more time off work for fun stuff means you're promoting slackers and moochers. We've all seen how the RW calls anyone receiving public assistance, no matter how short of a time, by those epithets. It's almost as hated and feared as "socialism." Most Europeans enjoy fewer working hours, more paid time off including more weeks of vacation, paid health care, etc. Woe unto us to even speak of doing that here.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Most Europeans enjoy fewer working hours, more paid time off including more weeks of vacation, paid health care, etc. Woe unto us to even speak of doing that here..
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Acknowledging that means implying that America may not be the greatest nation in the world in which to live,
and then the boy scouts like Dutch and Eagle Eye start popping off.

It's why I've now completely stopped attempting civil discourse with them.

We have altogether different priorities,
and theirs are totally rooted in jargonism that's been implanted into them since toddlerhood,
and then reenforced in the military,
but which I regard [and accurately recognize] as psychosis.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
Acknowledging that means implying that America may not be the greatest nation in the world in which to live,
and then the boy scouts like Dutch and Eagle Eye start popping off.

It's why I've now completely stopped attempting civil discourse with them.

We have altogether different priorities,
and theirs are totally rooted in jargonism that's been implanted into them since toddlerhood,
and then reenforced in the military,
but which I regard [and accurately recognize] as psychosis.
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I've always been of the opinion that although our country is awesome, it could still use improvement in some areas. To deny this is to stagnate and even regress. IMO real patriots acknowledge both the good and the not-so-good, and work to fix the not-so-good.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
I've always been of the opinion that although our country is awesome, it could still use improvement in some areas. To deny this is to stagnate and even regress. IMO real patriots acknowledge both the good and the not-so-good, and work to fix the not-so-good.
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Perhaps, Owl, I'm a bit more critical than you.

To me, a developed nation not having universal, cradle to grave healthcare in the Third Millennium
isn't merely an area needing improvement. It's an indicting disgrace.

Our commitment to public education is also a disgrace.

I know that I'm repeating myself,
but I refuse to set the pole vault bar at limbo dance height
when it comes to matters of importance.
That's just not me.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
Perhaps, Owl, I'm a bit more critical than you.

To me, a developed nation not having universal, cradle to grave healthcare in the Third Millennium
isn't merely an area needing improvement. It's an indicting disgrace.

Our commitment to public education is also a disgrace.

I know that I'm repeating myself,
but I refuse to set the pole vault bar at limbo dance height
when it comes to matters of importance.
That's just not me.
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You're preaching to the choir, Reverend. We have a lot more work to do to make America even greater.

1) Universal health care
2) Free or sliding scale child care
3) Free or sliding scale higher education
4) Revamped public education curricula, including mandatory civics instruction
5) Public education textbooks vetted by nonpartisan, unbiased scholars
6) Restoration of the act (which name I've forgotten) that mandated equal time for all sides in political broadcasting -- whether that is on cable or broadcast networks
7) Constitutional amendment addressing the flaws in the 1st and 2nd Amendments

I'm sure you've got a list, too.
 
Work give you more than just sustenance. It gives you self esteem.

And stuff needs to get done to have a garage to clean up.

This is why work is emphasized, because it's a good thing.

Even Pinocchio realized this in the end.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
It's because we created a thing called a "work ethic" and to talk about more time off work for fun stuff means you're promoting slackers and moochers. We've all seen how the RW calls anyone receiving public assistance, no matter how short of a time, by those epithets. It's almost as hated and feared as "socialism." Most Europeans enjoy fewer working hours, more paid time off including more weeks of vacation, paid health care, etc. Woe unto us to even speak of doing that here.
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Yup.

And even the European methods do not yet reflect the true value of our increased technology that should be more generally shared.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
Perhaps, Owl, I'm a bit more critical than you.

To me, a developed nation not having universal, cradle to grave healthcare in the Third Millennium
isn't merely an area needing improvement. It's an indicting disgrace.

Our commitment to public education is also a disgrace.

I know that I'm repeating myself,
but I refuse to set the pole vault bar at limbo dance height
when it comes to matters of importance.
That's just not me.
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So very true.
 
Joe said:
Work give you more than just sustenance. It gives you self esteem.

And stuff needs to get done to have a garage to clean up.

This is why work is emphasized, because it's a good thing.

Even Pinocchio realized this in the end.
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If your self-esteem is so low it needs bolstering by working...by all means work.

Some people do not need it like you do.

We all need more free, leisure time...and the only way to get it is to do it incrementally.

Somewhere it has to start.

I want to see some politicians coming up with ideas to create more leisure time for everyone...not more jobs.
 
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