Solution to all the world's problems: wind power

Sailor said:
Becoming dependent on green energy ( for at least the next 30 years or so) will require no one drives, no cell phones, no computers, limited lighting in your home, limited food at the stores, no air conditioning, limited heat for northerners, etc, etc. Basically everything a "green" person like you could not live without. Truly going green in this country would require personal sacrifice and inconvenience. Something you, personally, would never do. A wise person would realize the reality of this consumer driven, spoiled society and learn to give and take until technology can match the insane amount of energy needs that the average American requires.
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Nah.
There is nothing greener than organic farming and heating with wood is carbon neutral and can be carbon negative with very little effort.
 
Micawber said:
Another point to be made is that the arguments that you need a lot of dirty energy to make green energy is circular. Once we become dependent on the green energy, we no longer need the dirty energy to make the parts. When the thing that makes the things that makes the things is green, it's game set match and these oily naysayers are gone forever.
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Only if it is cheaper than $2-3 per barrel oil. :rofl2: That's about what it cost Saudi Arabia to pump a barrel of oil out of the ground.
 
Rune said:
Nah.
There is nothing greener than organic farming and heating with wood is carbon neutral and can be carbon negative with very little effort.
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When you kill a tree to burn it, it stops removing carbon from the atmosphere :palm:

Thank goodness, we have oil or people like you would strip the forests bare.
 
Rune said:
Yes...we have no shortage of CO2 except according to you.
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The Earth is still in a state of CO2 starvation. It was trending towards zero. Thank God, Life created humans to solve the problem and restore the CO2 to the atmosphere from whence it came..
 
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Bigdog said:
When you kill a tree to burn it, it stops removing carbon from the atmosphere :palm:

Thank goodness, we have oil or people like you would strip the forests bare.
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Yah, a responsible wood burner burns dead trees.
Even at that it is carbon neutral as it can't release any more carbon into the atmosphere than it captured in it's lifespan.
Considering that half of the mass of a tree is underground it can even be carbon negative considering that the wood burned displaces fossil fuels.
 
Bigdog said:
When you kill a tree to burn it, it stops removing carbon from the atmosphere :palm:

Thank goodness, we have oil or people like you would strip the forests bare.
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Actually it was coal that slowed deforestation since charcoal was once used to smelt iron.

Anymore stupid misunderstandings you need cleared up, retard?
 
Rune said:
Yah, a responsible wood burner burns dead trees.
Even at that it is carbon neutral as it can't release any more carbon into the atmosphere than it captured in it's lifespan.
Considering that half of the mass of a tree is underground it can even be carbon negative considering that the wood burned displaces fossil fuels.
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As if there are enough dead trees to fuel mankind's needs :rofl2:

You're grasping at straws. :palm:
 
Rune said:
Actually it was coal that slowed deforestation since charcoal was once used to smelt iron.

Anymore stupid misunderstandings you need cleared up, retard?
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I'm well aware that it is the evil oil and coal companies that liberals hate, that saved the forests and the whales, assbreath.
 
Bigdog said:
As if there are enough dead trees to fuel mankind's needs :rofl2:

You're grasping at straws. :palm:
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No one source is enough.
As PiMP said use everything.
Bio-mass is a relevant factor, is entirely renewable and if done correctly sequesters carbon in the earth's crust.
I am not claiming it is an entire solution in itself.
 
Micawber said:
"ADVANTAGES OF WIND POWER
Wind energy is a clean fuel source. Wind energy doesn't pollute the air like power plants that rely on combustion of fossil fuels, such as coal or natural gas. Wind turbines don't produce atmospheric emissions that increase health problems like asthma or create acid rain or greenhouse gases. According to the Wind Vision Report, wind has the potential to reduce cumulative greenhouse gas emissions by 14%, saving $400 billion in avoided global damage by 2050.
Wind power does not use water, unlike conventional electricity sources. Producing nuclear, coal, or gas-fired power uses water for cooling. Water is becoming a scarce resource all over the country. Wind power uses zero water in its energy generation.
Wind is a domestic source of energy. The nation's wind supply is abundant. Over the past 10 years, wind capacity increased an average of 31% per year, reaching a cumulative capacity of over 75,000 MW in 2016, enough to power over 20 million homes. Wind power is the largest source of annual new generating capacity, well ahead of the next two leading sources, solar power and natural gas.
Wind power is inexhaustible. Wind is actually a form of solar energy. Winds are caused by the heating of the atmosphere by the sun, the rotation of the Earth, and the Earth's surface irregularities. For as long as the sun shines and the wind blows, the energy produced can be harnessed to send power across the grid.
Wind power is cost-effective. It is one of the lowest-cost renewable energy technologies available today, with power prices offered by newly built wind farms averaging 2 cents per kilowatt-hour, depending on the wind resource and the particular project’s financing. Even without government subsidies, wind power is a low-cost fuel in many areas of the country.
Wind turbines can be built on existing farms or ranches. This greatly benefits the economy in rural areas, where most of the best wind sites are found. Farmers and ranchers can continue to work the land because the wind turbines use only a fraction of the acreage. Wind power plant owners make rent payments to the farmer or rancher for the use of the land, providing landowners with additional income. In 2015, annual land lease payments in the United States were estimated to total $222 million. This additional income provides the agricultural community an avenue to diversify revenue and reduce reliance on uncertain commodity prices. According to the Wind Vision Report, annual land lease income for rural American landowners could increase to $1 billion by 2050.
Wind creates jobs. In 2016, the wind energy sector invested more than $8.8 billion of private capital in the U.S. economy to build projects and employed more than 101,000 workers (approximately 30% women, 11% veterans, and 25% minorities), according to the 2017 U.S. Energy and Employment Report. More than 8,800 technicians were employed in 2015 to monitor and maintain wind turbines, and this profession is expected to grow by 108% in the next decade, making it the country’s fastest-growing occupation (according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics). According to the Wind Vision Report, wind has the potential to support more than 600,000 jobs in manufacturing, installation, maintenance, and supporting services by 2050."

Department of energy
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Bullshit
 
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