solid proof of evolution

Thing1 said:
I'm not sure why people even debate it anymore.

It's not incompatible w/ religion or with a belief in God. I suppose for those who believe the world is only 6,000 years old or whatever it is, it would upset their beliefs - but they're ignoring a huge amount of science w/ that belief anyway.
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Well they don't in science. Evolutionary theory is one of the most robust and useful scientific theories in existence and the reality is that in science a theory is only as useful as the predictions that it can make which can be independently observed and verified. In that respect evolutionary theory is one of the most useful scientific theories currently in existence. Virtually all the applied branches of biology are applied evolutionary theory.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Well they don't in science. Evolutionary theory is one of the most robust and useful scientific theories in existence and the reality is that in science a theory is only as useful as the predictions that it can make which can be independently observed and verified. In that respect evolutionary theory is one of the most useful scientific theories currently in existence. Virtually all the applied branches of biology are applied evolutionary theory.
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Agreed. I have just never really understood how the concept of evolution threatened religious beliefs, or at least most religious beliefs. Most people I know are Christian, and most believe in evolution. I believe in god & in evolution.

It's just strange to me that evolution is viewed that way, as though you have to believe in science OR religion.
 
Thing1 said:
Agreed. I have just never really understood how the concept of evolution threatened religious beliefs, or at least most religious beliefs. Most people I know are Christian, and most believe in evolution. I believe in god & in evolution.

It's just strange to me that evolution is viewed that way, as though you have to believe in science OR religion.
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Very astute....Religion and science can and do co-exist and its not an either/or question.....
 
Thing1 said:
Agreed. I have just never really understood how the concept of evolution threatened religious beliefs, or at least most religious beliefs. Most people I know are Christian, and most believe in evolution. I believe in god & in evolution.

It's just strange to me that evolution is viewed that way, as though you have to believe in science OR religion.
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Actually it is understandable if you understood the previous world view of man place in the world.

So though you are correct that belief in biological evolution is not incompatible with religious belief it is the principle of common descent that is the aspect of Evolutionary theory that bothers religious conservatives and understandably so.

For millennia humans held themselves to be above animals. The prevailing notion that, we are not animals, we are civilized. As a social distinction between humans and other animals which makes humans distinct from other animals.

Then evolutionary theory comes along and turns this belief on it's heads...ok...we may be civilized...but we're still animals. This is not a particularly palatable notion to many people not steeped in the tradition of science but who have strong religious beliefs.

So it's really the fact of common descent that religious conservatives find offensive about evolutionary theory.
 
Thing1 said:
Agreed. I have just never really understood how the concept of evolution threatened religious beliefs, or at least most religious beliefs. Most people I know are Christian, and most believe in evolution. I believe in god & in evolution.

It's just strange to me that evolution is viewed that way, as though you have to believe in science OR religion.
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the same way a round earth did


the church is proven fallible
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Actually it is understandable if you understood the previous world view of man place in the world.

So though you are correct that belief in biological evolution is not incompatible with religious belief it is the principle of common descent that is the aspect of Evolutionary theory that bothers religious conservatives and understandably so.

For millennia humans held themselves to be above animals. The prevailing notion that, we are not animals, we are civilized. As a social distinction between humans and other animals which makes humans distinct from other animals.

Then evolutionary theory comes along and turns this belief on it's heads...ok...we may be civilized...but we're still animals. This is not a particularly palatable notion to many people not steeped in the tradition of science but who have strong religious beliefs.

So it's really the fact of common descent that religious conservatives find offensive about evolutionary theory.
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Thanks for the explanation. In all the years, I never considered that specific aspect of it. I thought it had more to do w/ God just creating everything "as is," or something along those lines. I suppose that's why they always talk about the discovery of alien life being a threat to beliefs, also (and that's another area where I really never understood the "threat," but makes more sense w/ the above consideration).
 
Granule said:
An actual event.

Sure, you assholes can quote each other all day, but no self respecting intellectual is going to sit through that circle jerk.

Show me where intelligent life springs into being without help from an actual person.
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Show me where that person sprung into life. that requires another god. Sorry, that is terrible argument. An absolute fail.
 
CFM said:
It's a theory. You said so yourself.
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Again showing your ignorance for all to see. No shock. Do you know what a scientific theory actually is? Of course not You wear brain blinders. But a scientific theory has to explain all the evidence and make predictions. If you want to bring a science theory down, it is easy. Give one fact, just one that disproves it. Scientists are not blindly defending theories. they are gathering evidence as much as they can. If it does not fit, the theory is modified or scrapped. You are using a non scientific definition that is wrong to use in science. That is dishonest and wrong. it is also what i expected from you.
 
Nordberg said:
Muslim pets? Are you OK? Do you imagine that you are being responsive to a post or the thread? WTF are you talking about? Evolution is a fact. It does not matter what any religious people think. It stays a fact.
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It depends on what you mean by ‘evolution’ whether it’s a fact or not.
 
hypGnosis said:
Perhaps you need to read up a bit on the pharyngeal stage of embryonic development of H. sapiens?

https://www.google.com/search?q=pharyngeal+stage+of+embryonic&client=firefox-b-1-ab&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwieyNiPrsnaAhXrzIMKHVd8D-kQsAQIaw&biw=1545&bih=896
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Did you know Haekel manipulated data to support the claim that ‘ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny’?

What’s the other current ‘fact’ that some scientists have been caught manipulating data to support?
 
Darth Omar said:
It depends on what you mean by ‘evolution’ whether it’s a fact or not.
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Well if you go by the current definition of evolutionary theory as "A change in allele frequency within a population over time." then it's a fact.

If you go by some garbage the Discovery Institute pulls out of its ass, then it's not a fact.
 
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