So, You Want $15 An Hour?

[danielpalos]

So unlimited immigration into the US is NOT a problem for you?

It is Your, bigoted, right-wing fantasy. Why do you prefer to create an expensive problem (y'all don't want to pay for with appropriate tax rates anyway) by being illegal to our own laws? There is no Immigration clause in our federal Constitution for us to have a fantastical, right-wing problem. Why not be Legal to our own Laws?

 

[Monad Portal]

UBI is what will/is needed. There will be no other way to feed the unemployed.
So, we are at the point where we can decide how many people to send Checks to in the Future.

i'm fine with it.

if these fascists are going to try to displace as many humans as possible.

it's only right.

All humanity should share in the benefits of automation, or none will.

We will burn it to the ground.

if they're going to steal everything with fake money and then kill the rest of us, fuck em.

 

[Jack]

It is Your, bigoted, right-wing fantasy. Why do you prefer to create an expensive problem (y'all don't want to pay for with appropriate tax rates anyway) by being illegal to our own laws? There is no Immigration clause in our federal Constitution for us to have a fantastical, right-wing problem. Why not be Legal to our own Laws?

In the Southwest there is a Water Shortage. Let's pretend for a moment the 'Left nor right' created this problem.
In you opinion, Importing MORE People into the US will help or hurt that situation?

 

[danielpalos]

In the Southwest there is a Water Shortage. Let's pretend for a moment the 'Left nor right' created this problem.
In you opinion, Importing MORE People into the US will help or hurt that situation?

I am saying that Biden and the democrats did a good thing getting infrastructure upgrade acts passed their first year. What a difference an experienced politician can make.

 

[Jack]

i'm fine with it.

if these fascists are going to try to displace as many humans as possible.

it's only right.

All humanity should share in the benefits of automation, or none will.

We will burn it to the ground.

if they're going to steal everything with fake money and then kill the rest of us, fuck em.

Well, the Question is 'How many will draw out of the Pot?'.
If everybody gets a Fair Share of UBI, then MORE PEOPLE means LESS MONEY for the Individual.
MORE PEOPLE now ... means LESS MONEY for our grandchildren.

 

[Concart]

What are you talking about? Cut off for what? We have no Immigration clause in our federal Constitution. Why are You going along with right-wing fantasy?

Correct. The issue is not the number of legal immigrants entering the country. It is the illegal immigration, and the fact that employers are more than willing to hire those illegal immigrants. The number of work visas issued was down 50% last year from the previous year. How's the wall working? Not so great.

 

[Jack]

I am saying that Biden and the democrats did a good thing getting infrastructure upgrade acts passed their first year. What a difference an experienced politician can make.

Wow! Way to avoid any actual discussion of a political issue.

 

[danielpalos]

Correct. The issue is not the number of legal immigrants entering the country. It is the illegal immigration, and the fact that employers are more than willing to hire those illegal immigrants. The number of work visas issued was down 50% last year from the previous year. How's the wall working? Not so great.

I have an idea; let's lead by example and be legal to our own laws to solve our border issues?

 

[danielpalos]

Wow! Way to avoid any actual discussion of a political issue.

You have no solutions only more problems we already know are expensive, regulatory, and don't work.

 

[Jack]

Correct. The issue is not the number of legal immigrants entering the country. It is the illegal immigration, and the fact that employers are more than willing to hire those illegal immigrants. The number of work visas issued was down 50% last year from the previous year. How's the wall working? Not so great.

I'll ask you. How many MORE PEOPLE will help the Water Shortage in the Southwest?

"Leading the Nation in Seawater Desalination"
https://www.sdcwa.org/your-water/local-water-supplies/seawater-desalination/

"In November 2012, the Water Authority approved a 30-year Water Purchase Agreement with Poseidon Water for the purchase of up to 56,000 acre-feet of desalinated seawater per year, approximately 10 percent of the San Diego region’s water demand."

 

[Jack]

You have no solutions only more problems we already know are expensive, regulatory, and don't work.

The easiest, simplest, and least complicated is to have a Policy of 'No Immigration'.

 

[Concart]

I'll ask you. How many MORE PEOPLE will help the Water Shortage in the Southwest?

"Leading the Nation in Seawater Desalination"
https://www.sdcwa.org/your-water/local-water-supplies/seawater-desalination/

"In November 2012, the Water Authority approved a 30-year Water Purchase Agreement with Poseidon Water for the purchase of up to 56,000 acre-feet of desalinated seawater per year, approximately 10 percent of the San Diego region’s water demand."

What does that have to do with what I said? Try to focus, Jack. Read, comprehend, respond. You can do it.

 

[Street Glider]

The belief that society will continue on a negative path of objectifying humans out of existence is wrong.


and morally wrong.

So how do you think a business should respond to a demand for pay which is not commensurate with the job being performed?

 

[Jack]

What does that have to do with what I said? Try to focus, Jack. Read, comprehend, respond. You can do it.

Concart: "Correct. The issue is not the number of legal immigrants entering the country."
Jack: Is there a 'cut-off' number?

One Million?
Ten Million?
Fifty Million?
One Hundred Million?

Would it be an economic decision based on what the Country could support?

 

[Monad Portal]

So how do you think a business should respond to a demand for pay which is not commensurate with the job being performed?

I believe workers have a right to manipulate the labor market at least as much as big business does.

 

[Concart]

Concart: "Correct. The issue is not the number of legal immigrants entering the country."
Jack: Is there a 'cut-off' number?

One Million?
Ten Million?
Fifty Million?
One Hundred Million?

Would it be an economic decision based on what the Country could support?

Yes, it is an economic decision based on NEED. In 2021 the number of work visas was cut in half.

 

[Monad Portal]

Well, the Question is 'How many will draw out of the Pot?'.
If everybody gets a Fair Share of UBI, then MORE PEOPLE means LESS MONEY for the Individual.
MORE PEOPLE now ... means LESS MONEY for our grandchildren.

so abstract people in the future are more important than people living now?

there are no future people if the ones alive now can't thrive.

 

[Monad Portal]

We need a market friendly means to solve for the deleterious capital effects of Capitalism's natural rate of unemployment using existing legal and physical infrastructure.

so. ubi?

 

[Monad Portal]

It is Your, bigoted, right-wing fantasy. Why do you prefer to create an expensive problem (y'all don't want to pay for with appropriate tax rates anyway) by being illegal to our own laws? There is no Immigration clause in our federal Constitution for us to have a fantastical, right-wing problem. Why not be Legal to our own Laws?

borders are integral to every nation, shitfer brains.

 

[Jack]

Yes, it is an economic decision based on NEED. In 2021 the number of work visas was cut in half.

OK. Thanks. A rational understanding of 'immigration'.
(it is 'the number of immigrants'. our only disagreement is the 'number')