So now we need a Ballroom?

BartenderElite said:
If you weren't focused on riots, then the information you provided is almost completely irrelevant.

You're being biased & partisan in this discussion. You've implied that ONLY the left characterizes riots as "mostly peaceful," when pretty much every MAGA I've heard has characterized J6 that way. You have ignored that Trump pardoned all J6 rioters, and that his crowds would generally rise and have a moment to salute the "J6 hostages" at rallies. You also implied that no one was sent to prison for the more left-oriented riots. And you have incorrectly implied that 99% of political violence is from the left.

It's all stuff I hear from MAGA's regularly. But I don't consider you to be MAGA. You have exaggerated & put forth an extremely one-sided perspective on this.
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Again. Attempting to move the goalposts. Even if we go with "just riots" you can bet it is leftist every time and will come out ahead in the long run. Even with your moved goalposts that pretend that the conversation you were participating in was "irrelevant" because it wasn't what you wanted to talk about after the fact rather than what we actually conversed upon...

You don't want it to be so, so you just pretend I said something other than what I said and that the statistics are somehow "wrong" because they were not about the subject you wished you were talking about.
 
Damocles said:
Again. Attempting to move the goalposts. Even if we go with "just riots" you can bet it is leftist every time and will come out ahead in the long run. Even with your moved goalposts that pretend that the conversation you were participating in was "irrelevant" because it wasn't what you wanted to talk about rather than what we actually conversed upon...
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I haven't moved a single goalpost. You implied all political violence, and then when asked to back up the 99% figure, gave me only stats on riots.

This is just getting silly now. I don't know how you think a stat on riots backs up a claim on ALL political violence.

It has nothing to do with what I "want" to talk about. It's 100% about your claim.
 
BartenderElite said:
I haven't moved a single goalpost. You implied all political violence, and then when asked to back up the 99% figure, gave me only stats on riots.

This is just getting silly now. I don't know how you think a stat on riots backs up a claim on ALL political violence.
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Bull. You even tried after the fact. You quoted what I actually said and tried to pretend that it was about something else. You even asked "did you mean to say this other thing?" Then when I pointed out the context you said it was "irrelevant" because it wasn't about the topic you wished we were conversing on.

Seriously. Those were your posts, not mine. The only person still on topic is the one that provided the stats and information to back up his assertion, you are still trying to move the goalposts to something you think you can reach.
 
BartenderElite said:
I haven't moved a single goalpost. You implied all political violence, and then when asked to back up the 99% figure, gave me only stats on riots.

This is just getting silly now. I don't know how you think a stat on riots backs up a claim on ALL political violence.

It has nothing to do with what I "want" to talk about. It's 100% about your claim.
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Stop moving the goal posts, BE.

That’s an indicator of a weak argument.
 
martin said:
The entire East Wing is coming down.

One more abomination to be corrected when he's gone.
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Do you know how many presidents have renovated the White House, Marty?

Here’s the answer:

Many presidents have renovated the White House, with four major renovations occurring under Theodore Roosevelt (1902), Calvin Coolidge (1927), Harry S. Truman (1948-1952), and more recently under Donald Trump. In addition, numerous other presidents have made significant changes, such as John F. Kennedy creating the Rose Garden, Richard Nixon converting an indoor pool into the press briefing room, and Barack Obama redesigning the tennis court for basketball and adding a kitchen garden.

  • Theodore Roosevelt: Modernized the White House and created the West Wing as the new executive office space.

  • Calvin Coolidge: Oversaw a major renovation in 1927.

  • Franklin D. Roosevelt: Built an indoor swimming pool for his physical therapy, which was later converted into a press room.

  • Harry S. Truman: A complete gutting and reconstruction of the interior from 1948 to 1952, as the original structure was deemed unsafe. He also added a balcony to the South Portico.

  • John F. Kennedy: Created the modern Rose Garden.

  • Richard Nixon: Converted the swimming pool into the press briefing room and added a bowling alley.

  • Gerald Ford: Had an outdoor swimming pool built.

  • George H.W. Bush: Expanded the tennis court in 1989.

  • Bill Clinton: Undertook a restoration and refurbishment of the building.

  • Barack Obama: Redesigned a tennis court into a basketball court and created the White House Kitchen Garden.

  • Donald Trump: Completed a new tennis pavilion, refurbished the existing tennis court, and added a new building for the press corps.


Poor Marty.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Demolishing part of the East Wing and replacing it with a ballroom larger than a football field is not a "renovation" nor remodeling. It's a vanity project for a man who considers himself King of the United States. Agreed on them paying for it.

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Mr. Tiny Penis, your suffering continues.

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Earl said:
Do you know how many presidents have renovated the White House, Marty?

Here’s the answer:

Many presidents have renovated the White House, with four major renovations occurring under Theodore Roosevelt (1902), Calvin Coolidge (1927), Harry S. Truman (1948-1952), and more recently under Donald Trump. In addition, numerous other presidents have made significant changes, such as John F. Kennedy creating the Rose Garden, Richard Nixon converting an indoor pool into the press briefing room, and Barack Obama redesigning the tennis court for basketball and adding a kitchen garden.

  • Theodore Roosevelt: Modernized the White House and created the West Wing as the new executive office space.

  • Calvin Coolidge: Oversaw a major renovation in 1927.

  • Franklin D. Roosevelt: Built an indoor swimming pool for his physical therapy, which was later converted into a press room.

  • Harry S. Truman: A complete gutting and reconstruction of the interior from 1948 to 1952, as the original structure was deemed unsafe. He also added a balcony to the South Portico.

  • John F. Kennedy: Created the modern Rose Garden.

  • Richard Nixon: Converted the swimming pool into the press briefing room and added a bowling alley.

  • Gerald Ford: Had an outdoor swimming pool built.

  • George H.W. Bush: Expanded the tennis court in 1989.

  • Bill Clinton: Undertook a restoration and refurbishment of the building.

  • Barack Obama: Redesigned a tennis court into a basketball court and created the White House Kitchen Garden.

  • Donald Trump: Completed a new tennis pavilion, refurbished the existing tennis court, and added a new building for the press corps.


Poor Marty.
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None of those were close to what Trump is doing. They were mostly making the Whitehouse more livable for the president. The Kennedys were beautifying the existing Whitehouse, not bulldozing it for a vanity ballroom.
Truman repaired the Whitehouse due to foundational problems. Do you think that is similar to what Daffy Donald is doing?
 
Cypress said:
Building a grand ballroom isn't a good look when most working people are challenged by inflation and a flat jobs market.
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It's not funded by tax dollars, and I don't agree that "most working people are challenged by inflation and a flat jobs market", so there's that.
 
TOP said:
Is the biggest concern that this project is not respecting the historical significance of the White House?
" What is "938"? The figure of 938 refers to the total number of overnight guests at the White House between 1993 and 1996, during the Bill Clinton administration. The number of guests who specifically stayed in the Lincoln Bedroom was 821. This practice became the focus of the "Lincoln Bedroom for contributors" controversy during the 1996 campaign finance investigation.
The Lincoln Bedroom controversy
The allegations: The controversy involved accusations that the Clinton administration was "selling" overnight stays in the historic Lincoln Bedroom to major Democratic Party campaign donors in exchange for contributions.
The guest lists: In 1997, to address the suspicions, the White House released the names of 938 overnight guests from Clinton's first term. However, the names of Chelsea Clinton's friends and some family were removed from the public list.
The fundraising link: Subsequent reporting and campaign memos revealed that White House aides used overnight stays and other perks to reward contributors. The Democratic National Committee (DNC) was involved in generating lists of donors to invite. For example, one internal DNC memo from 1995 showed President Clinton endorsing the idea of using sleepovers for fundraising.
The White House defense: The Clinton White House defended the practice, stating that the donors were personal friends and supporters, not just contributors. They denied that the room had been "sold" and Attorney General Janet Reno declined to investigate further, stating that entertaining supporters did not constitute a violation of the law.
Donor contributions: A 1998 report in The New York Times showed that among the 938 guests, many were large contributors to the Democratic Party. For instance, some gave donations of $100,000 or more within days or weeks of their overnight stay. "
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Where's your source/attribution. I thought @Damocles had a rule about copyright infringement.
 
No more dinners in a tent...;)
AI Overview
"Yes, Barack Obama held several state dinners in a large tent on the South Lawn of the White House. This was a deviation from the tradition of holding all state dinners inside the White House, and it allowed for a larger guest list.
Notable state dinners in a tent
India (November 2009): The Obama administration's first state dinner honored Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh. The event was held in a tent on the South Lawn to accommodate more guests. The dinner was also notable for two uninvited guests, Michaele and Tareq Salahi, who famously crashed the event.
Nordic Countries (May 2016): A dinner was held for the leaders of five Nordic nations (Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway, and Sweden) in a tent designed to evoke an arctic landscape.
Italy (October 2016): The final state dinner of the Obama administration, which honored Italian Prime Minister Matteo Renzi, also took place in a tent on the South Lawn.
France (February 2014): A state dinner for French President François Hollande was a large event held in a tent on the South Lawn.
Mexico (May 2010): Following a dinner in the East Room, President Obama and Mexican President Felipe Calderón and their wives rode a trolley to a tent on the South Lawn for entertainment. "
 
martin said:
The entire East Wing is coming down.

One more abomination to be corrected when he's gone.
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Another lie. Only the facade is being removed, to allow the add on of the event space.

Sure as fuck will beat people having to sit/stand outside in wet grass/mud, and should have been done a long time ago.
 
TOP said:
No more dinners in a tent...;)
AI Overview
"Yes, Barack Obama held several state dinners in a large tent on the South Lawn of the White House. This was a deviation from the tradition of holding all state dinners inside the White House, and it allowed for a larger guest list.
Notable state dinners in a tent
India (November 2009): The Obama administration's first state dinner honored Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh. The event was held in a tent on the South Lawn to accommodate more guests. The dinner was also notable for two uninvited guests, Michaele and Tareq Salahi, who famously crashed the event.
Nordic Countries (May 2016): A dinner was held for the leaders of five Nordic nations (Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway, and Sweden) in a tent designed to evoke an arctic landscape.
Italy (October 2016): The final state dinner of the Obama administration, which honored Italian Prime Minister Matteo Renzi, also took place in a tent on the South Lawn.
France (February 2014): A state dinner for French President François Hollande was a large event held in a tent on the South Lawn.
Mexico (May 2010): Following a dinner in the East Room, President Obama and Mexican President Felipe Calderón and their wives rode a trolley to a tent on the South Lawn for entertainment. "
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And yet, even with Trump (and other private donors footing the bill), the left bitches about it...
 
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