SNAP benefits cut!!! Musk gets a trillion dollars!

[Jarod]

You failed to connect them and so far have only tried to pretend like you have.

And you still haven't told me where all those evil balloons are and who gave them to Elon.

If you cant understand, I cant help you.

 

[Damocles]

If you cant understand, I cant help you.

Because you cannot connect the things. I understand. It is a bit embarrassing when you cannot use your big boy words to explain your feelings. I remember things from before I had the capacity to explain things.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Ok, I gotta come back and read this in the morning. The corner bodega where I trade in my food stamps for crack is closing soon

Look, I appreciate your passion over fiscal responsibility. But don't you think that compared to healthcare there's much more waste in military spending, subsidies to corporations who don't need them and 20 billion because trump likes some buffoon's hair?

I think that wasting money on grotesquely expensive health insurance which is what we're talking about here--and worse it's government run for all intents--is the height of insanity. We should end Obamacare, not double down on it. How much will Democrats demand in say, 2 to 4 years in addition to that $1.5 trillion, another $3 trillion? Obamacare WILL bankrupt the US and the solution is NOT more government involvement in health insurance. That's why things are fucked up already!

I think our argument mainly is over what we feel are priorities and tactics.

I'm fine with people having health insurance or a means to pay for healthcare. My preferred "tactics" are using market forces, individual responsibility and keeping the government the fuck out of it to the maximum extent possible. Government will only fuck things up.

Priorities: I value feeding the poor over tax breaks to billionaires and subsidies to corporations.

I value teaching the poor to feed themselves and don't worry overly about what billionaires and corporations are taxed or get from the government. If you simply come to the park every day and feed the pigeons, they'll never look for food on their own and you'll quickly get more pigeons.

Tactics: I feel that immigration reform including a path do citizenship for those already here is a much more civilized, efficient, and humane way to help resolve the issue rather than sending a racist, poorly trained militia into our city streets.

I think we should deport every illegal in the US. I prefer people who want to be here and follow our laws. I prefer that we have immigrants who speak our language, want to assimilate, and are reasonably well educated. We do not need sickly, illiterate, lazy, criminals.

Anyway - priorities and tactics. That's where we differ.

That's where we differ.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

You do realize that every single health insurance policy in this nation is subsidized? EVERY SINGLE ONE.

So what? That's an irrelevant appeal to (variously) tradition and popularity. This doesn't mean that is how it should be or why it should be done that way.

And you have to love the irony of Congress getting their health insurance, while denying same for others. They pay 25% of the cost of their policies. Now THAT's what I call a subsidy.

Congress gets FEHB (Federal Employee Health Benefits) just like all federal employees do. It is an employer health benefits (insurance) program similar to ones that large corporations give their employees. The military gets Tricare which is very similar to FEHB.

 

[Althea]

So what? That's an irrelevant appeal to (variously) tradition and popularity. This doesn't mean that is how it should be or why it should be done that way.

Congress gets FEHB (Federal Employee Health Benefits) just like all federal employees do. It is an employer health benefits (insurance) program similar to ones that large corporations give their employees. The military gets Tricare which is very similar to FEHB.

And every single form of health insurance is subsidized. So why shouldn't self employed people have affordable rates?

 

[Althea]

I think that wasting money on grotesquely expensive health insurance which is what we're talking about here--and worse it's government run for all intents--is the height of insanity. We should end Obamacare, not double down on it. How much will Democrats demand in say, 2 to 4 years in addition to that $1.5 trillion, another $3 trillion? Obamacare WILL bankrupt the US and the solution is NOT more government involvement in health insurance. That's why things are fucked up already!


I'm fine with people having health insurance or a means to pay for healthcare. My preferred "tactics" are using market forces, individual responsibility and keeping the government the fuck out of it to the maximum extent possible. Government will only fuck things up.


I value teaching the poor to feed themselves and don't worry overly about what billionaires and corporations are taxed or get from the government. If you simply come to the park every day and feed the pigeons, they'll never look for food on their own and you'll quickly get more pigeons.


I think we should deport every illegal in the US. I prefer people who want to be here and follow our laws. I prefer that we have immigrants who speak our language, want to assimilate, and are reasonably well educated. We do not need sickly, illiterate, lazy, criminals.

That's where we differ.

You have illustrated here that you know little or nothing about health insurance, or the ACA.

 

[Althea]

No they aren't...No one eligible will be denied healthcare...and people who are eligible and not getting coverage will finally be covered...
No one is starving...

Stop lying.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

You have illustrated here that you know little or nothing about health insurance, or the ACA.

Quite to the contrary. It is you that knows little to nothing about those. All you do is argue that the system in place is the only system that's available and further then argue that we need more of it.

The current system is unaffordable and cumbersome, at best. Therefore, arguing for more failure is a failing position. We need something that works and that means something different, not doubling down on defeat.

 

[TOP]

Stop lying.

I'm not

 

[Althea]

Quite to the contrary. It is you that knows little to nothing about those. All you do is argue that the system in place is the only system that's available and further then argue that we need more of it.

The current system is unaffordable and cumbersome, at best. Therefore, arguing for more failure is a failing position. We need something that works and that means something different, not doubling down on defeat.

So you agree that we should end employer based health insurance? And end the 75% subsidy for Congress?

 

[LurchAddams]

I think that wasting money on grotesquely expensive health insurance which is what we're talking about here--and worse it's government run for all intents--is the height of insanity. We should end Obamacare, not double down on it. How much will Democrats demand in say, 2 to 4 years in addition to that $1.5 trillion, another $3 trillion? Obamacare WILL bankrupt the US and the solution is NOT more government involvement in health insurance. That's why things are fucked up already!


I'm fine with people having health insurance or a means to pay for healthcare. My preferred "tactics" are using market forces, individual responsibility and keeping the government the fuck out of it to the maximum extent possible. Government will only fuck things up.


I value teaching the poor to feed themselves and don't worry overly about what billionaires and corporations are taxed or get from the government. If you simply come to the park every day and feed the pigeons, they'll never look for food on their own and you'll quickly get more pigeons.


I think we should deport every illegal in the US. I prefer people who want to be here and follow our laws. I prefer that we have immigrants who speak our language, want to assimilate, and are reasonably well educated. We do not need sickly, illiterate, lazy, criminals.

That's where we differ.

"I think we should deport every illegal in the US......"?????

If you really feel that way, you're:

1. Cruel as fuck.
2. Not in touch with reality.