SNAP benefits cut!!! Musk gets a trillion dollars!

[Jarod]

You failed to connect them and so far have only tried to pretend like you have.

And you still haven't told me where all those evil balloons are and who gave them to Elon.

If you cant understand, I cant help you.

 

[Damocles]

If you cant understand, I cant help you.

Because you cannot connect the things. I understand. It is a bit embarrassing when you cannot use your big boy words to explain your feelings. I remember things from before I had the capacity to explain things.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Ok, I gotta come back and read this in the morning. The corner bodega where I trade in my food stamps for crack is closing soon

Look, I appreciate your passion over fiscal responsibility. But don't you think that compared to healthcare there's much more waste in military spending, subsidies to corporations who don't need them and 20 billion because trump likes some buffoon's hair?

I think that wasting money on grotesquely expensive health insurance which is what we're talking about here--and worse it's government run for all intents--is the height of insanity. We should end Obamacare, not double down on it. How much will Democrats demand in say, 2 to 4 years in addition to that $1.5 trillion, another $3 trillion? Obamacare WILL bankrupt the US and the solution is NOT more government involvement in health insurance. That's why things are fucked up already!

I think our argument mainly is over what we feel are priorities and tactics.

I'm fine with people having health insurance or a means to pay for healthcare. My preferred "tactics" are using market forces, individual responsibility and keeping the government the fuck out of it to the maximum extent possible. Government will only fuck things up.

Priorities: I value feeding the poor over tax breaks to billionaires and subsidies to corporations.

I value teaching the poor to feed themselves and don't worry overly about what billionaires and corporations are taxed or get from the government. If you simply come to the park every day and feed the pigeons, they'll never look for food on their own and you'll quickly get more pigeons.

Tactics: I feel that immigration reform including a path do citizenship for those already here is a much more civilized, efficient, and humane way to help resolve the issue rather than sending a racist, poorly trained militia into our city streets.

I think we should deport every illegal in the US. I prefer people who want to be here and follow our laws. I prefer that we have immigrants who speak our language, want to assimilate, and are reasonably well educated. We do not need sickly, illiterate, lazy, criminals.

Anyway - priorities and tactics. That's where we differ.

That's where we differ.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

You do realize that every single health insurance policy in this nation is subsidized? EVERY SINGLE ONE.

So what? That's an irrelevant appeal to (variously) tradition and popularity. This doesn't mean that is how it should be or why it should be done that way.

And you have to love the irony of Congress getting their health insurance, while denying same for others. They pay 25% of the cost of their policies. Now THAT's what I call a subsidy.

Congress gets FEHB (Federal Employee Health Benefits) just like all federal employees do. It is an employer health benefits (insurance) program similar to ones that large corporations give their employees. The military gets Tricare which is very similar to FEHB.

 

[Althea]

So what? That's an irrelevant appeal to (variously) tradition and popularity. This doesn't mean that is how it should be or why it should be done that way.

Congress gets FEHB (Federal Employee Health Benefits) just like all federal employees do. It is an employer health benefits (insurance) program similar to ones that large corporations give their employees. The military gets Tricare which is very similar to FEHB.

And every single form of health insurance is subsidized. So why shouldn't self employed people have affordable rates?

 

[Althea]

I think that wasting money on grotesquely expensive health insurance which is what we're talking about here--and worse it's government run for all intents--is the height of insanity. We should end Obamacare, not double down on it. How much will Democrats demand in say, 2 to 4 years in addition to that $1.5 trillion, another $3 trillion? Obamacare WILL bankrupt the US and the solution is NOT more government involvement in health insurance. That's why things are fucked up already!


I'm fine with people having health insurance or a means to pay for healthcare. My preferred "tactics" are using market forces, individual responsibility and keeping the government the fuck out of it to the maximum extent possible. Government will only fuck things up.


I value teaching the poor to feed themselves and don't worry overly about what billionaires and corporations are taxed or get from the government. If you simply come to the park every day and feed the pigeons, they'll never look for food on their own and you'll quickly get more pigeons.


I think we should deport every illegal in the US. I prefer people who want to be here and follow our laws. I prefer that we have immigrants who speak our language, want to assimilate, and are reasonably well educated. We do not need sickly, illiterate, lazy, criminals.

That's where we differ.

You have illustrated here that you know little or nothing about health insurance, or the ACA.

 

[Althea]

No they aren't...No one eligible will be denied healthcare...and people who are eligible and not getting coverage will finally be covered...
No one is starving...

Stop lying.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

You have illustrated here that you know little or nothing about health insurance, or the ACA.

Quite to the contrary. It is you that knows little to nothing about those. All you do is argue that the system in place is the only system that's available and further then argue that we need more of it.

The current system is unaffordable and cumbersome, at best. Therefore, arguing for more failure is a failing position. We need something that works and that means something different, not doubling down on defeat.

 

[TOP]

Stop lying.

I'm not

 

[Althea]

Quite to the contrary. It is you that knows little to nothing about those. All you do is argue that the system in place is the only system that's available and further then argue that we need more of it.

The current system is unaffordable and cumbersome, at best. Therefore, arguing for more failure is a failing position. We need something that works and that means something different, not doubling down on defeat.

So you agree that we should end employer based health insurance? And end the 75% subsidy for Congress?

 

[LurchAddams]

I think that wasting money on grotesquely expensive health insurance which is what we're talking about here--and worse it's government run for all intents--is the height of insanity. We should end Obamacare, not double down on it. How much will Democrats demand in say, 2 to 4 years in addition to that $1.5 trillion, another $3 trillion? Obamacare WILL bankrupt the US and the solution is NOT more government involvement in health insurance. That's why things are fucked up already!


I'm fine with people having health insurance or a means to pay for healthcare. My preferred "tactics" are using market forces, individual responsibility and keeping the government the fuck out of it to the maximum extent possible. Government will only fuck things up.


I value teaching the poor to feed themselves and don't worry overly about what billionaires and corporations are taxed or get from the government. If you simply come to the park every day and feed the pigeons, they'll never look for food on their own and you'll quickly get more pigeons.


I think we should deport every illegal in the US. I prefer people who want to be here and follow our laws. I prefer that we have immigrants who speak our language, want to assimilate, and are reasonably well educated. We do not need sickly, illiterate, lazy, criminals.

That's where we differ.

"I think we should deport every illegal in the US......"?????

If you really feel that way, you're:

1. Cruel as fuck.
2. Not in touch with reality.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

So you agree that we should end employer based health insurance? And end the 75% subsidy for Congress?

That's asking for too much. Ending any subsidy by government and changing how the employer - employee relationship for health care costs is covered would work. It's about who pays and ensuring that market forces come into play.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

"I think we should deport every illegal in the US......"?????

If you really feel that way, you're:

1. Cruel as fuck.
2. Not in touch with reality.

What's cruel about deporting criminals? I think the $1000 to leave idea was brilliant. You get one grand, self-deport, and get a chance to come back legally. You won't take that generous offer, that's on you.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I guess when its all you got!!!

They are very limited and very repetitious in their posts. Never anything new unless it falls out of their Orange Messiah's ass first. Sad.

Most MAGAts, especially JPP MAGAts, are not as much evil as they are stupid and demented. If their relatives could put them down to save them from pain, I think that'd be a good idea.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

"I think we should deport every illegal in the US......"?????

If you really feel that way, you're:

1. Cruel as fuck.
2. Not in touch with reality.

All MAGAts want to Make America White Again. It's the Project 2025 White Nationalist agenda.

All patriotic Americans should note where these fuckers live, where they work and with whom they consort since they are all enemies of the Constitution.

 

[LurchAddams]

What's cruel about deporting criminals?

Yeah, I know. Criminals. Tom Holman can take a bag of money on an FBI sting and nothing happens to him - but a grandma taking care of a millionaire's kids? She's the criminal.

Brown people are just here to pick your avacados. They are not a danger to you or me.

Like I said - cruel as fuck. Let criminals like Tom Holman be in charge of our city's fate. Elect a criminal like trump to office who's using the oval as an ATM - but bus boys - they're the ones we need to worry about.

I think the $1000 to leave idea was brilliant. You get one grand, self-deport, and get a chance to come back legally. You won't take that generous offer, that's on you.

I don't give a shit. We don't need thousands of racist thugs in our streets tackling fruit pickers and child care providers.

Republicans are racist fucktards who suck ass.

Don't be like them!

 

[Diogenes]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1987584766934176179

View: https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1987584766934176179?s=20

 

[Althea]

That's asking for too much. Ending any subsidy by government and changing how the employer - employee relationship for health care costs is covered would work. It's about who pays and ensuring that market forces come into play.

Market forces? You do realize that insurers have a monopoly? By ending employer based healthcare, everyone is out on the open market looking for coverage. If they bother. Thanks to Reagan, every hospital is required to treat emergency (common cold in many cases) room patients regardless of ability to pay.

Are you saying that insurers can go back to denying coverage for pre existing conditions? Are you saying the maximum annual out of pocket expenses should be abolished?

Are you saying that insurers should go back to charging one rate for large groups, and triple that for individuals? How are these groups formed?

Doing away with employer based health insurance greatly increases FICA contributions from employer/employee. That might be a good thing.

Are you saying that now post tax dollars will pay premiums?

What is asking too much? I'm not sure I understand the question.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Market forces? You do realize that insurers have a monopoly? By ending employer based healthcare, everyone is out on the open market looking for coverage. If they bother. Thanks to Reagan, every hospital is required to treat emergency (common cold in many cases) room patients regardless of ability to pay.

Insurers do not have a monopoly. Yes, they dominate the market, but that isn't the same thing. Employer health insurance is popular so modifying it rather than ending it is the thing to do. Yes, there is a way to do that.

Are you saying that insurers can go back to denying coverage for pre existing conditions? Are you saying the maximum annual out of pocket expenses should be abolished?

I'm saying eliminate insurance for routine medical care and most of the problem is solved.

Are you saying that insurers should go back to charging one rate for large groups, and triple that for individuals? How are these groups formed?

I'm saying eliminate insurance as it stands and get things back to individuals paying as they go in a system that makes that work.

Doing away with employer based health insurance greatly increases FICA contributions from employer/employee. That might be a good thing.

Are you saying that now post tax dollars will pay premiums?

What is asking too much? I'm not sure I understand the question.

No, I'm saying get government nearly entirely out of the health insurance business altogether.

 

[Althea]

Insurers do not have a monopoly. Yes, they dominate the market, but that isn't the same thing. Employer health insurance is popular so modifying it rather than ending it is the thing to do. Yes, there is a way to do that.


I'm saying eliminate insurance for routine medical care and most of the problem is solved.


I'm saying eliminate insurance as it stands and get things back to individuals paying as they go in a system that makes that work.

No, I'm saying get government nearly entirely out of the health insurance business altogether.

No. You don't get it both ways. You are either against subsidies, or you are not. You want to cherry pick the subsidies you like, and do away with the ones you don't.

Which is it? You cannot get the govt. out of the health insurance business, as the free market you hail will only concern itself with profit. It must be regulated.