Slavery was horrific

christiefan915 said:
I think the pic is of Nora-Jane Noone, an Irish actress.

http://nora-janenoone.com/

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You win! As I said, I tried to do a reverse search on the photo, and that is all that came back for me.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
This is so full of shit it stinks worse than a septic tank.

The Germans didn't "invent rockets." In fact, it was the Soviet Union and US that were the leaders in rocketry up to 1940.

http://mentallandscape.com/S_GIRD.htm

As one example of that.

The Germans were so far behind the curve on nukes they would have needed another decade to catch up with the US by 1944. In fact, there's virtually nothing by 1945 that the Germans held some massive lead in technology on. That's a fact.

Hitler's racism helped American and British physics, but it didn't single handedly produce it. That's just a common misconception.
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Listen, I watched the history channel and I'm going with their facts....sorry, not sorry
 
SmarterthanYou said:
and this is why it's impossible to debate with you idiots. you take something that was said and you change it to your own context, or you listen to morons like dutch who changes it and you run with it.

but you're welcome to come try and take mine from me if you think i shouldn't have them.
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Cypress wants to take Dutch's Second Amendment rights!
 
Tinkerpeach said:
I know all of this.

The North may have freed them but they didn't want them migrating up there either.

This was the reconstruction period and what ultimately led to what we consider black society today.

Blacks were not allowed to assimilate and left to fend for themselves after slavery.
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Everyone has to fend for themselves!
 
christiefan915 said:
It's not. That's the point. IMO talking about reparations is just a deflection from the topic about slavery being horrific. Owning another human being but treating him as sub-human property was horrific whether it was 200 or 2000 years ago. The fact that some slaves had it better than others is irrelevant. It was like keeping your tools in working order. Slaveholders worried about the bottom line, period. They could have hired and paid individuals to do the work that slaves did for nothing, but they didnt.
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Every living slave has reparations coming to them!
A black kid with Air Jordan's hanging out at the Mall doesn't have reparations coming to them!
 
Earl said:
I know that an interrogatory requires a question mark.

You don’t have to work very hard to be a pedant and you don’t display academic learning.

Poor Marty.
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Admit it ! You don't comprehend
AM I ,I AM's ,AM I !
 
christiefan915 said:
You're making an "out of the frying pan, into the fire" argument IMO... trading one bad existence for another.

Slaves were considered property and treated as such. Most were illiterate and had no skills other than performing brute labor. They dreamed of a free existence but didn't understand the reality of it for themselves. A freed slave couldn't take his resume to another state and get hired as a bookkeeper, for example, nor could he open his own business without seed money. Perhaps returning to the plantation came after they became homeless and starving.

Take a trip through the southeast US and stop at all the historical sites in the slave-owning states. Your eyes will be opened to the harsh conditions slaves endured for the price of a roof over their head.

And I won't even go into the other kind of mistreatment slaves or ex-slaves were subject to, such as being considered sub-human.
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And what Tinker is ignoring is that most Southern States, as soon as slavery ended, raced to pass vagrancy laws that said men needed to have employment and a residence or they could be arrested.

What happened with arrested Ex slaves was they could not pay fine or bail and the prisons could 'rent them out' back to plantations as a way to make money for the fines. They were often treated far worse then when a slave, when on these plantations as the person no longer owned the slave so working them to 'death' was not a concern. If you broke a slave you just took them back to the prison and got a new one for the same daily rate. These slaves rarely could earn enough to pay off the fines, as new fines were continually established.


So did some slaves return voluntarily to plantations of slave owners, YES, as they had no employment or residence otherwise and did not want to be arrested and locked into that life as it was seen as the worst of all options.
 
Margot said:
Every living slave has reparations coming to them!
A black kid with Air Jordan's hanging out at the Mall doesn't have reparations coming to them!
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I admit not to be following the reparations argument very closely and don't see how you could do it on an individual basis.
 
tigerred59 said:


Listen, I watched the history channel and I'm going with their facts....sorry, not sorry
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"The History channel" and facts are usually two completely opposite things...

One of the most important discoveries with respect to nuclear weapons was the discovery of how plutonium could be synthesized. That was made in the US by American chemist Glenn Seaborg at UC Berkeley. It remained a secret until well after WW 2 ended.

The breakthrough on fission was made by Enrico Fermi, an Italian, not a German emigree, at the University of Chicago where he made the first successful reactor using graphite as a moderator. That led to the discovery of how mass production of plutonium could be done relatively fast and cheap. It also gave the US a far better understanding of the nuclear fission process.

Electromagnetic separation of uranium isotopes as was done at Oak Ridge, was an American invention led by Ernst Lawrence. The alternate method for separation, by centrifuge, was led by Egar Murphree, an American chemist.

Robert Oppenheimer, an American Physicist led the research side of the effort to build a nuclear weapon.

Yes, there were German refugees / immigrants that helped in some way or another in getting to a nuclear weapon, but they were usually not central to the project overall, and certainly weren't among the leadership. And, no, Albert Einstein wasn't playing a big role in this as he was a theoretical physicist, not a chemist or applied physicist.
 
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