Should We Change The Plaque On The Statue Of Liberty To Reflect Our Current Policy???

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The New Collossus is the plaque on the Statue of Liberty:

"Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
MOTHER OF EXILES. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.

"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" "
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This doesn't seem to reflect the feelings of Trump supporters.

Maybe it should be changed to something more in line with this boisterous group.

I imagine a few of our Trump supporting posters might be able to write something else which better reflects their sentiments.

But I doubt it would show much compassion.

Maybe they would be happier if we just tore down the old girl. It's kind of embarrassing to have that statue there with that plaque on it while we are tear-gassing people who did exactly what was advised and came to a legal point of entry.

Even if they managed to somehow change it, everybody would know what they did. It would be bad publicity. (But that never stopped Trump...)

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Me?

I think it is fine just the way it is.

Immigrants built this nation.

Yeah. You think America is great?

Immigrants built that.
 
Yes, make it consistent with out pull our of the UN Council on Human Rights, where I agree, we have no business being given our "leadership" and actions.
 
PoliTalker said:
The New Collossus is the plaque on the Statue of Liberty:



This doesn't seem to reflect the feelings of Trump supporters.

Maybe it should be changed to something more in line with this boisterous group.

I imagine a few of our Trump supporting posters might be able to write something else which better reflects their sentiments.

But I doubt it would show much compassion.

Maybe they would be happier if we just tore down the old girl. It's kind of embarrassing to have that statue there with that plaque on it while we are tear-gassing people who did exactly what was advised and came to a legal point of entry.

Even if they managed to somehow change it, everybody would know what they did. It would be bad publicity. (But that never stopped Trump...)

PoliTalker anti-troll thread thief disclaimer:

Me?

I think it is fine just the way it is.

Immigrants built this nation.

Yeah. You think America is great?

Immigrants built that.
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Trump will be gone sooner then later
 
We should remove it. The sculpture was named “Liberty Enlightening The World” and shows her holding a tablet marked “1776.” In other words, it’s not about importing people but about exporting American ideas. You wouldn’t need to import the huddled masses if this was the case.
 
Hello Heff,

Heff said:
We should remove it. The sculpture was named “Liberty Enlightening The World” and shows her holding a tablet marked “1776.” In other words, it’s not about importing people but about exporting American ideas. You wouldn’t need to import the huddled masses if this was the case.
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I'm sure that plaque bothers a lot of people.

But it's been there a very long time. Why is it such a problem all of a sudden?
 
You might want to do some research on the process the original “huddled masses yearning to breathe free” went through upon arriving at Ellis Island. And Grover Cleveland’s Statue of Liberty dedication speech is going around the internet, the last line is very “Trumpian”
 
This poem was written as a donation to an auction of art and literary works[3] conducted by the "Art Loan Fund Exhibition in Aid of the Bartholdi Pedestal Fund for the Statue of Liberty" to raise money for the pedestal's construction.[4] Lazarus's contribution was solicited by fundraiser William Maxwell Evarts. Initially she refused but writer Constance Cary Harrison convinced her that the statue would be of great significance to immigrants sailing into the harbor.[5]

"The New Colossus" was the first entry read at the exhibit's opening on November 2, 1883. It remained associated with the exhibit through a published catalog until the exhibit closed after the pedestal was fully funded in August 1885,[6][7] but was forgotten and played no role at the opening of the statue in 1886. It was, however, published in Joseph Pulitzer's New York World as well as The New York Times during this time period.[8] In 1901, Lazarus's friend Georgina Schuyler began an effort to memorialize Lazarus and her poem, which succeeded in 1903 when a plaque bearing the text of the poem was put on the inner wall of the pedestal of the Statue of Liberty.[4]

On the plaque hanging inside the Statue of Liberty, the line "Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!" is missing a comma, and reads in Lazarus's manuscript "Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!"[9] since its unveiling in 1903. The plaque also describes itself as an engraving; it is actually a casting.

The original manuscript is held by the American Jewish Historical Society.[10]
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The New Colossus

Oh, there ya go. Heralded by Jews. I'm surprised it hasn't been targeted by white nationalists.
 
Hello Callinectes Ocasio-Cortez,

Callinectes Ocasio-Cortez said:
You might want to do some research on the process the original “huddled masses yearning to breathe free” went through upon arriving at Ellis Island. And Grover Cleveland’s Statue of Liberty dedication speech is going around the internet, the last line is very “Trumpian”
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Is that last line a lie, then?

Because that's the first word that comes to mind whenever somebody mentions Trump. Sort of synonymous.
 
Did you read the last line of the speech? Last paragraph really, it’s basically a warning to people trying to enter the country by violent means, or with harmful intent. Nobody’s had a real problem with it for 132 years until now.
 
Hello Callinectes Ocasio-Cortez,

Callinectes Ocasio-Cortez said:
Did you read the last line of the speech?
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Of course not. You haven't posted it.

Callinectes Ocasio-Cortez said:
Last paragraph really, it’s basically a warning to people trying to enter the country by violent means, or with harmful intent. Nobody’s had a real problem with it for 132 years until now.
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This is so typical of conservative thinking. First deny facts. Then create 'alternative facts.' Then get all into a tizzy about the concocted 'alternative facts.'

This is so not the conversation we should be having. But conservatives never want to have that conversation because they know they will lose it. Hence all the 'alternative facts' as a deviation to prevent the conversation from ever being about what it should be about.

In this case, you're denying the fact that immigration is not really a big problem affecting the USA or our economy. It's a manufactured crisis, whipped up to order for the demagogue in the White House.

If immigration was really such a big problem for the economy, the economy would not be doing so well. Ya know?

How can you say immigration is hurting the economy when the economy is not hurting? Kind of a self-defeating argument.

But then every demagogue needs a boogie man. And you're stuck with xenophobia over Latin immigrants. It's really a pretty weak argument because we have so many issues of actual importance to the country. I can't be the only liberal just shaking my head at the absurdity of even having this argument when there are so many other real threats to the USA. Just mind boggling. Post any quote you like. I'll read it. But we should really be talking about more important things, matters of direct bearing to our nation.
 
Hello Heff,

PoliTalker said:
I'm sure that plaque bothers a lot of people.

But it's been there a very long time. Why is it such a problem all of a sudden?
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Heff said:
I think because it only helps to disguise the intention of the Statue of Liberty.
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Makes no sense. That has not changed recently. That doesn't explain why it is such a big problem all of a sudden. Never before has anyone talked about removing that plaque that I can recall.

And hey, sometimes things change. Art gets created with a hoped-for or intended impression, but then later it may be perceived a different way. That's OK. Even though the Statue was created to symbolize American independence, and not intended to be a beacon to immigrants, that is most certainly what it turned into; since it was the first thing many of the European ones saw upon arrival in the new world. It was coincidence that the author wrote about it, (just because it was on her mind at the time,) and then that became the main thing associated with the Statue. Her words were never intended to be immortalized there, not written distinctly for that purpose. But they sure do fit. And I think it would be a pretty tough sell to try to remove it.

Emma Lazarus wrote the famous words.

Lines from her sonnet The New Colossus appear on a bronze plaque in the pedestal of the Statue of Liberty which was placed in 1903.[3] The sonnet was written in 1883 and donated to an auction, conducted by the "Art Loan Fund Exhibition in Aid of the Bartholdi Pedestal Fund for the Statue of Liberty" in order to raise funds to build the pedestal.[c]
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Emma Lazarus

Emma was part of the project to put it up:

Fundraising for the statue had begun in 1882. The committee organized a large number of money-raising events.[82] As part of one such effort, an auction of art and manuscripts, poet Emma Lazarus was asked to donate an original work. She initially declined, stating she could not write a poem about a statue. At the time, she was also involved in aiding refugees to New York who had fled anti-Semitic pogroms in eastern Europe. These refugees were forced to live in conditions that the wealthy Lazarus had never experienced. She saw a way to express her empathy for these refugees in terms of the statue.[83] The resulting sonnet, "The New Colossus", including the iconic lines "Give me your tired, your poor/Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free", is uniquely identified with the Statue of Liberty and is inscribed on a plaque in the museum in its base.[84]
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Statue Of Liberty

The poem was written expressly for the Statue of Liberty:

"The New Colossus" was the first entry read at the exhibit's opening on November 2, 1883. It remained associated with the exhibit through a published catalog until the exhibit closed after the pedestal was fully funded in August 1885,[6][7] but was forgotten and played no role at the opening of the statue in 1886. It was, however, published in Joseph Pulitzer's New York World as well as The New York Times during this time period.[8] In 1901, Lazarus's friend Georgina Schuyler began an effort to memorialize Lazarus and her poem, which succeeded in 1903 when a plaque bearing the text of the poem was put on the inner wall of the pedestal of the Statue of Liberty.[4]
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The New Colossus
 
We gifted a prototype back to France which you can see from the Seine.

Two revolutions. Mutual support. One thing certain is it did not stand for isolation and racism.
Freedom from foreigners is not in the visage. I see no repelling sneer or trump wall around her. She is lighting the way
stupid.
 
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