Serious question

There are jobs not worth it for Americans, they are brutal and pay very little, while its easier for Citizens to get by without doing them.
They are so brutal and pay very little yet you are willing to let these poor slobs from other countries do them? How fucking compassionate of you. So how are these people able to get by without doing them?

How is it that you are able to feed yourself, clothe yourself and pay for necessities WITHOUT working? Could you?

Please dig deeper Veruca.
 
Is that what Rush Limbaugh told you to believe?

I'm not psychotic... err, psychic like you seem to claim you are.
The ancient Kingdom of Great Zimbabwe is known for impressive stone architecture, as is the Kingdom of Kush in Sudan, and the city states of the ancient Swahili coast.

Look at the actual photographs. "Impressive they aren't." It's like claims that Mansa Musa was once the richest ruler on the planet and had a great empire. It's a bullshit claim because those trying to elevate sub-Saharan African achievements have to grasp any straw they can.
There is no doubt the Greeks, Egyptians, and Romans were the most impressive engineers in the European and African spheres.

Greeks, Egyptians, Romans, Aztecs, Maya, Chinese, Khmer, Persian, Hittite, Indian... Hell, even the neolithic sites around Göbekli Tepe are more impressive. There's really little sub-Saharan anything to impress anyone.
I am amused by all the people of Irish, Scottish, Germanic, Anglo-Saxon, Polish, Scandinavian ancestry who try to claim credit for the monumental architectural achievements of the ancient Greeks and Italo-Romans.
They achieved great architecture on their own later.

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Where was anything like that built in sub-Saharan Africa?

Much like the indigenous tribes of N. America, sub-Saharan Africa languished in the late neolithic and never really progressed beyond that in ancient times.
 
I'm not psychotic... err, psychic like you seem to claim you are.


Look at the actual photographs. "Impressive they aren't." It's like claims that Mansa Musa was once the richest ruler on the planet and had a great empire. It's a bullshit claim because those trying to elevate sub-Saharan African achievements have to grasp any straw they can.


Greeks, Egyptians, Romans, Aztecs, Maya, Chinese, Khmer, Persian, Hittite, Indian... Hell, even the neolithic sites around Göbekli Tepe are more impressive. There's really little sub-Saharan anything to impress anyone.

They achieved great architecture on their own later.

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Where was anything like that built in sub-Saharan Africa?

Much like the indigenous tribes of N. America, sub-Saharan Africa languished in the late neolithic and never really progressed beyond that in ancient times.
Your claim was that there were no walled cities or architectural engineering in subsaharan Africa. The impression you wanted to leave is that everybody in subsaharan Africa was living in grass huts.

I have always said when it comes to science, engineering and law Western civilization is impressively unique, largely because of our Roman and Christian heritage.

But that wasn't the question. You tried to convey the impression everyone South of Egypt was living in flimsy grass and mud huts. Your knowledge of Africa obviously just comes from Tarzan movies.
 
Sorry about your reading error. The OP wrote "surely Africa is as ancient. Where is the technological marvels from that time in Africa?"

There was no differentiation according to location. :nono:
When Europeans first explored Africa, they talked of huge cities they saw. Those cities are no longer there. The jungle reclaims the land. However, LIDAR has shown the existence of the cities. that are buried below the growth.
The recent excavations show that pyramids were not built by slaves. They have found workers quarters that show some comforts and bakeries and cooks taking care of them.
 
Your claim was that there were no walled cities or architectural engineering in subsaharan Africa. The impression you wanted to leave is that everybody in subsaharan Africa was living in grass huts.

Nothing really impressive. The adobe structures of Western Africa in the sub-Saharan are no more impressive really than such structures the indigenous peoples of the US Southwest were building, and those aren't all that impressive. Great Zimbabwe, is not that impressive and given that it's a singular construction doesn't speak well for it being copied elsewhere.
I have always said when it comes to science, engineering and law Western civilization is impressively unique, largely because of our Roman and Christian heritage.

Asia and India made great contributions in all that too. sub-Saharan Africa didn't contribute much, if anything.
 
Nothing really impressive. The adobe structures of Western Africa in the sub-Saharan are no more impressive really than such structures the indigenous peoples of the US Southwest were building, and those aren't all that impressive. Great Zimbabwe, is not that impressive and given that it's a singular construction doesn't speak well for it being copied elsewhere.


Asia and India made great contributions in all that too. sub-Saharan Africa didn't contribute much, if anything.
Africa is a difficult place to live compared to the Mediterranean world or the Indian subcontinent. In Africa, there are virulent tropical diseases, dangerous animals, nutrient-poor soils and very little arable land that can be brought under cultivation. Survival becomes priority one.

Despite that, your desire to leave the impression everyone south of lower Nile Valley were living in grass huts is contradicted by the archaeological evidence, from Great Zimbabwe, to Nubia and Kush, to the rock-hewn churches of Ethiopia, to the city states of the Swahili coast.

Iron metallurgy existed in West Africa before it existed in northern Europe.

There is no denying the uniquely monumental achievements of Western civilization.

But I suggest you reach out to other sources of information on subsaharan Africa besides Tarzan movies.
 
Africa is a difficult place to live compared to the Mediterranean world or the Indian subcontinent. In Africa, there are virulent tropical diseases, dangerous animals, nutrient-poor soils and very little arable land that can be brought under cultivation. Survival becomes priority one.

Despite that, your desire to leave the impression everyone south of lower Nile Valley were living in grass huts is contradicted by the archaeological evidence, from Great Zimbabwe, to Nubia and Kush, to the rock-hewn churches of Ethiopia, to the city states of the Swahili coast.

Iron metallurgy existed in West Africa before it existed in northern Europe.

There is no denying the uniquely monumental achievements of Western civilization.

But I suggest you reach out to other sources of information on subsaharan Africa besides Tarzan movies.
Much like say, the Amazon basin in S. America? There, pre-Columbian, there was a thriving civilization with likely millions of inhabitants. This whole 'lost' civilization is only now coming to light and it appears there were walled (wooden palisades and earthworks) towns and cities all over it with established and organized agriculture. Smallpox wiped it out.

In North America mound builders produced some serious. large cities. But they never went beyond that.

The Maya built a great civilization in the middle of rain forest and swamp. Khmer, Egyptian, and Indus River valley civilizations rose up in hostile environments.

Iron metallurgy rose up first in the Hittite civilization. It was independently discovered in China and India as well. There's no evidence that sub-Saharan civilizations discovered any sort of advanced metallurgy practices on their own.
 
I'm not psychotic... err, psychic like you seem to claim you are.


Look at the actual photographs. "Impressive they aren't." It's like claims that Mansa Musa was once the richest ruler on the planet and had a great empire. It's a bullshit claim because those trying to elevate sub-Saharan African achievements have to grasp any straw they can.


Greeks, Egyptians, Romans, Aztecs, Maya, Chinese, Khmer, Persian, Hittite, Indian... Hell, even the neolithic sites around Göbekli Tepe are more impressive. There's really little sub-Saharan anything to impress anyone.

They achieved great architecture on their own later.

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Where was anything like that built in sub-Saharan Africa?

Much like the indigenous tribes of N. America, sub-Saharan Africa languished in the late neolithic and never really progressed beyond that in ancient times.
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Not so subtle racism of MAGAts. Translation: Whites are smarter than nig...blacks because whites built bigger castles.



 
They are so brutal and pay very little yet you are willing to let these poor slobs from other countries do them? How fucking compassionate of you. So how are these people able to get by without doing them?

How is it that you are able to feed yourself, clothe yourself and pay for necessities WITHOUT working? Could you?

Please dig deeper Veruca.
I do not agree with the woking conditions of these horrable jobs. I do not agree with our current system that promotes illegal people being use for slave labor.

I feed myself by providing solutions to people who need help. Very easy job for someone in my position.

We used to have slaves do this work, now we have immigrants who cant complain do them.
 
I do not agree with the woking conditions of these horrable jobs. I do not agree with our current system that promotes illegal people being use for slave labor.

I feed myself by providing solutions to people who need help. Very easy job for someone in my position.

We used to have slaves do this work, now we have immigrants who cant complain do them.
Our nation needs immigration reform. The reason We, the People, aren't seeing it is because TPTB prefer the informal system of indentured servitude because it's more profitable for them.
 
We need a path to citizenship. Without it, we are a mess.
Agreed, but the White Nationalists only want white people to become citizens....as if people from Sweden, Finland, Germany or other Nordic nations would leave their countries for this one by the millions.

Immigration reform would include a path to citizenship, but also work visas, funding for enforcement and criminal penalties for businesses that hire illegals.
 
Agreed, but the White Nationalists only want white people to become citizens....as if people from Sweden, Finland, Germany or other Nordic nations would leave their countries for this one by the millions.

Immigration reform would include a path to citizenship, but also work visas, funding for enforcement and criminal penalties for businesses that hire illegals.
The corporations and the wealthy want pressure on the illegals so they work for practically free.
 
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