Sending Old Fighter Jets to Ukraine Is a Terrible Idea


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Biden is once again, EXTREMELY COMPETENT. Did anyone say the same about trump?
Did Putin invade while Trump was POTUS?
Trump got NATO to pony up,had us in a stable situation in Afghan
( no Americans killed in combat the last 18 months)...looks pretty competent compared to Biden
 
At the very least the Polish MIGs could be cannibalized for spare parts. Having an additional 50% more planes isn't a bad thing even if they are older. The weapons they carry can still shoot down Russian bombers. Zelenskyy wants them and I think he is better position to know what he needs to protect his people than Biden.
 
drones only target surface targets. I dont think they have air to air capability yet

Drones took out a few planes during the Nagorno-Karabakh War, which is part of the reason Putin has been afraid to put his air force into Ukraine. He has failed to take the air space over Ukraine, which is slowing, and even halting his invasion.

Jets can deliver a much larger and quicker payloads

That is completely reversed. Drones do not have pilots, so can go much faster. They do not need to worry about G forces on the pilot. They are expendable, so can carry a much larger payload.

Many of the drones being deployed are slower and smaller, but that is a strategic decision. Slower, smaller drones do better. Slower means they can hover over a position for a long time. Smaller makes them easier to transport, and if you can target more accurately, the same amount of useful damage, with less collateral damage. If you get a swarm of smaller drones, it becomes a cluster bomb, which is far bigger than the biggest bomb.
 
Drones took out a few planes during the Nagorno-Karabakh War, which is part of the reason Putin has been afraid to put his air force into Ukraine. He has failed to take the air space over Ukraine, which is slowing, and even halting his invasion.



That is completely reversed. Drones do not have pilots, so can go much faster. They do not need to worry about G forces on the pilot. They are expendable, so can carry a much larger payload.

Many of the drones being deployed are slower and smaller, but that is a strategic decision. Slower, smaller drones do better. Slower means they can hover over a position for a long time. Smaller makes them easier to transport, and if you can target more accurately, the same amount of useful damage, with less collateral damage. If you get a swarm of smaller drones, it becomes a cluster bomb, which is far bigger than the biggest bomb.

Excellant Post.
 
Drones took out a few planes during the Nagorno-Karabakh War, which is part of the reason Putin has been afraid to put his air force into Ukraine. He has failed to take the air space over Ukraine, which is slowing, and even halting his invasion.



That is completely reversed. Drones do not have pilots, so can go much faster. They do not need to worry about G forces on the pilot. They are expendable, so can carry a much larger payload.

Many of the drones being deployed are slower and smaller, but that is a strategic decision. Slower, smaller drones do better. Slower means they can hover over a position for a long time. Smaller makes them easier to transport, and if you can target more accurately, the same amount of useful damage, with less collateral damage. If you get a swarm of smaller drones, it becomes a cluster bomb, which is far bigger than the biggest bomb.
duh. no need to tell me about drones.
I understand swarming as well\ China relies on that tech for their drones - not sure about their fighters

To say "drones are quicker then jets with same payload" is idiotic

Falcon is hypersonic - missiles are hypersonic as well. but payloads are 1 and done
Lockheed SR-72 -is for recon - no payload
the rest are Mach 1 or less. Payloads are MUCH LESS with drones
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"collateral damage" is no better with drones or aircraft. the targeting is what matters
( like using signature strikes or not) Fighter jets have precision weapons as well
 
At the very least the Polish MIGs could be cannibalized for spare parts. Having an additional 50% more planes isn't a bad thing even if they are older. The weapons they carry can still shoot down Russian bombers. Zelenskyy wants them and I think he is better position to know what he needs to protect his people than Biden.

I wasn't aware you were such an expert on military aviation.

Better fly over to Poland and take charge.

Hup! Hup! What time's wheels-up?
 
id rather we tried to mediate peace talks. Biden just called Putin a "war criminal" so the USA cant do it.
China would be disaster.

Maybe get in touch with Modi and see if he wants to handle a hot potato..somebody has to set up talks!

If Biden didn't call Putin something negative the right would be yelling he was soft on Putin

One of the problems with sending the planes is where they take off from, where ever that is allows Putin to propagandize that they are directly involved in the war
 
Biden just called Putin a "war criminal" so the USA cant do it.

But first he said Putin isn't a war criminal. So decisive! So resolute!

Flip flopping Joe Biden in major gaffe when asked key question on 'war criminal' Putin

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1581828/joe-biden-gaffe-putin-war-criminal-russia-ukraine-invasion-nato-us-war-update
 
If Biden didn't call Putin something negative the right would be yelling he was soft on Putin

One of the problems with sending the planes is where they take off from, where ever that is allows Putin to propagandize that they are directly involved in the war
Commander in Chief leads the military and diplomatic efforts..if you start worrying about domestic politics your decision making is impaired

The Russian Hoax meant Trump could not talk to Putin... ever..when he did he was undermined by Dems
and the NSC
As a result we went 4 years without ANY diplomatic efforts..you see where it got us??
FFS we always talked with the USSR!!

If the Repubs say he's not tough enough -so what? at least they aren't trying to undermine his POTUS
with Russian Hoax crap
 
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