Seeds of Contemporary Russiaphobia

Nomad said:
If you don't see the OP for what it is.... defense of and apologism for your hero Trump's puppet master Vladimir Putin, you are the one who is the Trumptard stupid asswipe.
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Do you not believe Rosenstein when he claimed the Russian social media ‘meme attack’ lol, was intended to sow discord and not support a particular candidate?

Who is it that has been dancing to Putin’s Tune the past year and a half?
 
Darth Omar said:
Do you not believe Rosenstein when he claimed the Russian social media ‘meme attack’ lol, was intended to sow discord and not support a particular candidate?

Who is it that has been dancing to Putin’s Tune the past year and a half?
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We all know the answer to that one...

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... don't we?
 
I am the first to say - and have said it for decades - that the American military industrial complex exaggerates the threat posed by Russia.

But it has not escaped notice that you and your Orange hero have never, ever, under any circumstances said a bad word about Putin.

The orange hog will go on twitter to rant about Oprah or Alec Baldwin, but the only person on the planet he seems to restrain himself from criticizing is Putin.

Why do you think that is? Criticizing Putin and Russian authoritarianism does not mean we are implying we are perfect and infallible ourselves.

Even citizens of the Russian Federation have the courage to denounce the authoritarian essence and anti-human rights nature of Vladimir Putin. Protestors that include 22 year old girls. And they risk going to jail for doing it. Meanwhile, your Orange Hog could proffer criticism of Putin without the slightest fear of retribution.
 
noise said:
Guzman claimed that during the Ukrainian conflict, Washington and its NATO allies worked directly with right-wing Ukrainian Fascist groups, including the neo-Nazi inspired Right Sector militia.
International law professor at the University of Illinois College of Law Francis Boyle shares a similar opinion, also arguing also that Obama’s approach to Ukraine is no different to the neoconservative approach of former US national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski, or political scientist Samuel Huntington’s “clash of civilizations” philosophy.

“I think he [Obama] has made it very clear that he is going to continue to take a Brzezinski hard-lined approach toward Ukraine and Russia and that there are not going to be any compromises at all, and effectively he expects President Putin to throw in a towel, capitulate, whatever, it does not appear to me there is any ground for negotiations in light of what President Obama at least said publicly,” he said in an email to Sputnik
https://www.globalresearch.ca/washi...ed-a-deal-in-support-of-regime-change/5429142
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A not very creative post from just another one of putins cyberbots
 
kudzu said:
Your article is from 2014...........
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it's why i called it "seeds of Russiaphobia". This was the turning point in US/Russian relatons that soured events afterward (including the annexation of Crimea)
Our meddling in the Maiden created the revolution in Independence Square which was there as a protest -NOT REVOLUTIONARY event.

Recall John McCain and Vicki Nuland were both there "encouraging" the crowd

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Vickie Nuland and her cupcakes -Independence Square, Kyiv

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the 2 neocons stir it up
 
Darth Omar said:
They aren’t laughing now, but only because it’s politically expedient [for now] to hype the Russian threat.

Imagine if you were off-planet for 4 years exploring the galaxy and you come back only to hear about Russia this, Russia that, ‘the Russians are coming’ and etc.

You’d think ‘wow, what did I miss?’. Russians sent tanks into Poland or something?

What you ‘missed’ was Russian trolls ‘attacking us’ with political memes on Twitter and FB.

And it’s exactly that ridiculous. It’s like something out of a SNL skit. And yes, the Russians are absolutely laughing at the hysteria it’s caused.

Other than that, we have Russia being Russia. They’ve been trying to affect our politics since before the Cold War. They are less a threat than NK. They are less apt to attack a major US city than Islamic terrorists are.

Noise is right: the threat from Russia will only be exacerbated by hysteria. Romney was right, Russia is a major geopolitical foe—-but please let it stop before we get into a pointless war with them.
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outstanding posts all around. US/Russian/NATO relations are what we make them out to be,unlike NK or Islamic terrororists that ARE an existential threat
 
Nomad said:
If you don't see the OP for what it is.... defense of and apologism for your hero Trump's puppet master Vladimir Putin, you are the one who is the Trumptard stupid asswipe.
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or you could actually READ IT, and see the duplicity that caused the Maiden to become a revolution -not a protest as organized.
why was that?? read the OP

After two decades of eastward Nato expansion, this crisis was triggered by the west's attempt to pull Ukraine decisively into its orbit and defence structure, via an explicitly anti-Moscow EU association agreement. Its rejection led to the Maidan protests and the installation of an anti-Russian administration – rejected by half the country – that went on to sign the EU and International Monetary Fund agreements regardless.

No Russian government could have acquiesced in such a threat from territory that was at the heart of both Russia and the Soviet Union.
Putin's absorption of Crimea and support for the rebellion in eastern Ukraine is clearly defensive, and the red line now drawn: the east of Ukraine, at least, is not going to be swallowed up by Nato or the EU.
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Cypress said:
I am the first to say - and have said it for decades - that the American military industrial complex exaggerates the threat posed by Russia.

But it has not escaped notice that you and your Orange hero have never, ever, under any circumstances said a bad word about Putin.

The orange hog will go on twitter to rant about Oprah or Alec Baldwin, but the only person on the planet he seems to restrain himself from criticizing is Putin.

Why do you think that is? Criticizing Putin and Russian authoritarianism does not mean we are implying we are perfect and infallible ourselves.

Even citizens of the Russian Federation have the courage to denounce the authoritarian essence and anti-human rights nature of Vladimir Putin. Protestors that include 22 year old girls. And they risk going to jail for doing it. Meanwhile, your Orange Hog could proffer criticism of Putin without the slightest fear of retribution.
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you miss the geopolitics involved..realpolitik ( from US POV) doesn't care about Pussy Riot or Putin's FSB.

What we care about ( and can do about) is the interactions ( relations) between Putin and the west.

We pushed and shoved NATO expansion. we meddled on Putin's border states -
the Ukraine which is 1/2 Russian speaking and culture.

That threatened Putin's access to Sevastopol ( do I have to go why again?)
- more then once the Orange party threatened to pull it's lease. Which means no Black Sea access for Russia -intolerable..

Before the Uk meddling we were at least attempting a status quo -
Ukraine was protected by the Budapest Memorandum -
protecting the integrity of the Uk and keeping it free from US AND Russian interference.

I would say the Donbas war is a reaction to US support of the Uk's militias, going after Russian separatists as well
 
kudzu said:
Good point.. The article is four years old and predicts that the Ukraine will start WW3.
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it certainly has become a hot war, and we are arming Uk militias with JAVELIN Russian anti-armour missiles
what could go wrong ? US and Russian conflicts are in place -we are supplying anti tank weapons!
 
noise said:
it certainly has become a hot war, and we are arming Uk militias with JAVELIN Russian anti-armour missiles
what could go wrong ? US and Russian conflicts are in place -we are supplying anti tank weapons!
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What did you think when Saddam invaded Kuwait?
 
noise said:
Libya
Syria
Iraq - why is she NOT a neocon??
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Speaking of Syria, why aren't you weeping and rending your garment about Putin's support of Assad and what he's doing to civilians in Syria?

It seems to me that a supposed peacenik like you who spent so much time and effort vilifying and crucifying Hillary Clinton as a war monger over her one Iraq vote as a Senator, would devote at least as much of your self righteous angst and fervor towards Trump's boss, Putin.

Oh wait, you'd get booted out of the St Petersburg Troll Farm, straight to Siberia if you ever tried something like that.

No more coffee and donuts in the break room.
 
noise said:
Libya
Syria
Iraq - why is she NOT a neocon??
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Cons bombed the shit out of Qaddafi
Smacked Assad up side the head
and got rid of Saddam.....

All progressive Hillary managed to do is get an ambassador killed along with 3 other Americans..then she and Obama did nothing....
 
kudzu said:
Russia has reached out to control the Ukraine.. Is that good?
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Russia denys it, but it's clear they are supporting the separatist in eastern Ukraine ( not Kyiv / not all of Uk) but Luhansk & Donbas

"is it good" calls for a value judgement - is it understandable ,and do the people of the east
( with Russian language and Russian culture) support the war? I think this is the best resource I've found:

Disconnected society: how the war in the Donbas has affected Ukraine
https://www.opendemocracy.net/od-ru...ociety-how-war-in-donbas-has-affected-ukraine
 
NOVA said:
Cons bombed the shit out of Qaddafi
Smacked Assad up side the head
and got rid of Saddam.....

All progressive Hillary managed to do is get an ambassador killed along with 3 other Americans..then she and Obama did nothing....
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Do you remember when Libyans burned the US embassy in Tripoli in 1979 over allegations that the US was involved in the takeover of the grand mosque in Mecca?
 
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