Russians destroy Ukrainian missile plant

moon said:
You misunderstand. Article 5- the protection aspect of NATO which attracts gang members- is what influences Russia's border states .
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influences how?
Ukraine is seeking NATO and as a result became a threat to Russia when it went to war against the separatists, and became a defacto NATO state
 
Flash said:
That is not what I saw. NATO posed no threat to Russia but Russian expansion to the West was obviously more than a threat. There is nothing justifying Russian aggression except Putin's greed for power.
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moon said:
I'm going to have to write you off as a pseudo-patriotic whacko. ' Russian expansion to the west ' is asylum talk.
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Russiaphobia
expand NATO upto and on Russia's border, failitate overthrowing their government
Then declare yourself no longer non-aligned..and this is Russia fault?

Putin badly played the war, but silly stuff like "Russia was threatening NATO" is typical
 
anatta said:
influences how?
Ukraine is seeking NATO and as a result became a threat to Russia when it went to war against the separatists, and became a defacto NATO state
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They are subjected to the same dispensations of ' Russophobia ' that you mentioned earlier. Some might have good reason, but all states have reason to fear other states.
 
moon said:
No- Ukraine elected a pro-Russian president and the US took that as ' an affront ' . What did it do ? It removed him by way of a coup. What happened then ? Pro-Russian Ukrainians broke away into separatist regions. And then what ? America's puppet government allowed the Ukrainian Neo-Nazis to attack these separatists- people still exercising their democracy.
You don't have a moral stump to stand on, pal- and lying your way through this isn't going to work...............because people that see what has happened, such as myself, are going to point out the length of your nose.




Haw, haw...................................haw.
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The measure of Ukraine's legitimacy is plainly displayed in the determination of its people currently resisting Russia's usurpers. Putin and ideological puppets like yourself can't move past a nine year old coup, but they have moved past it and its their country, not yours. The separatist regions are what the term implies, a separate consideration, and should be dealt with separately - on that much you have a point .
 
anatta said:
influences how?
Ukraine is seeking NATO and as a result became a threat to Russia when it went to war against the separatists, and became a defacto NATO state
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You guys are oddly concerned about minor incursions from Lithuania, Poland, Finland, and a host of microstates not named Belarus.
 
anatta said:
Russiaphobia
expand NATO upto and on Russia's border, failitate overthrowing their government
Then declare yourself no longer non-aligned..and this is Russia fault?

Putin badly played the war, but silly stuff like "Russia was threatening NATO" is typical
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The issue is not Russia threatening NATO but Russia invading the Ukraine and killing men, women, and children. There is zero justification for defending Putin's actions. There is no Russiaphobia--just a condemnation of Russian invasion.
 
moon said:
The worry is that this will grind on , fueled by NATO munitions- the cause of the war in the first place.
Civilians of the world have become enslaved by the military/industrial complex and brain-washed by its propagandists.
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The pro-Russian propagandists are doing a good job of convincing some that their invasion is justified and some idiots believe it.
 
Flash said:
The issue is not Russia threatening NATO but Russia invading the Ukraine and killing men, women, and children. There is zero justification for defending Putin's actions. There is no Russiaphobia--just a condemnation of Russian invasion.
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That can't be right. The US has invaded many, many more countries than the Russians and killed many hundreds of thousands more men, women and children than the Russians. Any American supporting that record while condemning Russia would a...............dare I say it...........................hypocrite ?


Haw, haw.........................................haw.
 
Flash said:
The pro-Russian propagandists are doing a good job of convincing some that their invasion is justified and some idiots believe it.
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Can I just point out that questioning the Ukrainian narrative does not entail being pro-Russian. It's pro-truth.
 
moon said:
Can I just point out that questioning the Ukrainian narrative does not entail being pro-Russian. It's pro-truth.
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The "Ukranian narratiave" is irrelevant. Any country that invades another killing innocent civilians is wrong and its leader a monster.
 
Flash said:
The "Ukranian narratiave" is irrelevant. Any country that invades another killing innocent civilians is wrong and its leader a monster.
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What about all the precedents ?

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Where do you stand on the illegal Zionist occupation of Palestine- and the murders therein ?
 
moon said:
What about all the precedents ?

Where do you stand on the illegal Zionist occupation of Palestine- and the murders therein ?
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Because other countries engage in invading, attacking, and murdering others does not constitute a precedent others should follow.

Do you think those precedents are acceptable?
 
Flash said:
Because other countries engage in invading, attacking, and murdering others does not constitute a precedent others should follow.

Do you think those precedents are acceptable?
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No.

Where do you stand on the illegal Zionist occupation of Palestine- and the murders therein ?
 
moon said:
No.

Where do you stand on the illegal Zionist occupation of Palestine- and the murders therein ?
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I didn't think they should have created a Jewish state there. But, like Taiwan, I don't favor any military action to destroy a settled nation. Palestinians need to live in peace with Israelis.

Was there ever a Palestine that was not ruled by others?
 
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