Russians destroy Ukrainian missile plant

moon said:
The war is a direct result of NATO's Article 5 Policy. It's a protection racket with diplomatic trappings.
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Protection for American interests. Im okay with that. Protection from the other bully on the street.
 
moon said:
The worry is that this will grind on , fueled by NATO munitions- the cause of the war in the first place.
Civilians of the world have become enslaved by the military/industrial complex and brain-washed by its propagandists.
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The cause? Ukraine wasn't blowing up Russian plants or anything else. The cause of the war is Putin. Ukraine is getting help because they did not have enough weapons of any kind to defend themselves from Russian aggression or to start a war. You really do gulp down Russian propaganda.
 
moon said:
News reports and TV over the past months.
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That is not what I saw. NATO posed no threat to Russia but Russian expansion to the West was obviously more than a threat. There is nothing justifying Russian aggression except Putin's greed for power.
 
Flash said:
None of which justifies Russia's attack on the Ukraine.

Taiwan belonged to China for hundreds of years--does that justify China invading Taiwan?
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Nothing justifies Russia's attack on Ukraine. Don't be foolish.

So? They're independent of each other. If China invades Taiwan, that will be the beginning of Holy Hell.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
will the West require Russia to rebuild Ukraine or will it let Putin keep it.......if it were up to Moon he would let Putin have Finland....if it were up to Biden he would throw in Delaware......
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looks like this is going to wind up being another Syria - remember all the cities in rubble?
Ukraine is all that plus more burnt and mangled debris from fires and explosions
not just RPGs and bullets like Syria

And nobody is even talking about peace conditions
 
martin said:
The war is a direct result of Putin's instinct for killing anything and everything he imagines a threat to himself or his power. His devotion to Russia is every bit as self directed as Trump's loyalty is to anything, including his country, outside of his skin. Putin took Ukraine's growing preference to West European and American culture as a personal affront.
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No- Ukraine elected a pro-Russian president and the US took that as ' an affront ' . What did it do ? It removed him by way of a coup. What happened then ? Pro-Russian Ukrainians broke away into separatist regions. And then what ? America's puppet government allowed the Ukrainian Neo-Nazis to attack these separatists- people still exercising their democracy.
You don't have a moral stump to stand on, pal- and lying your way through this isn't going to work...............because people that see what has happened, such as myself, are going to point out the length of your nose.




Haw, haw...................................haw.
 
anatta said:
not Article 5 (since Uk is not a NATO state) but unfettered NATO expansion.
Although it's also a proxy war against Russia as well
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You misunderstand. Article 5- the protection aspect of NATO which attracts gang members- is what influences Russia's border states .
 
Nordberg said:
The cause? Ukraine wasn't blowing up Russian plants or anything else.
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Ukrainian Ne-Nazis were attacking the pro-Russian separatists. For eight years. You should have that hole in your memory seen to.

The cause of the war is Putin. Ukraine is getting help because they did not have enough weapons of any kind to defend themselves from Russian aggression or to start a war. You really do gulp down Russian propaganda.
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You're simply another Ukrainian mush sucker. The advantage I have over you is that I have access to the full range of media coverage which allows me to evaluate for myself. You're a force-fed drone.
 
Flash said:
That is not what I saw. NATO posed no threat to Russia but Russian expansion to the West was obviously more than a threat. There is nothing justifying Russian aggression except Putin's greed for power.
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I'm going to have to write you off as a pseudo-patriotic whacko. ' Russian expansion to the west ' is asylum talk.
 
Gun Shaky
200w.webp
Fuck off, socialist. The word has as much meaning for you as any other virtue.
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Inarticulate oaf.
 
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