"Russia Gate" Is Now "Obama Gate".....will lead to deep state arrests (including Obama)

"Historians will conclude that Biden was the worst President in American history....Except for maybe Obama":

Historians have already concluded that Trump in his first term was among the three or four worst Presidents. I suspect so far he's not getting better marks this time.

As for Trump's Russian connections, one that doesn't seem to get much mention is that when Trump entered the primaries he was negotiating to build a hotel in Moscow.
 
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Nope. The Mueller report clearly found that the Russians attempted to interfere in the election on behalf of the Toadfstool. The fact that the (D)s used these facts as campaign items doesn't mean that they made them up.

Wow, having shot down all chances of getting any credibility ever again has these Democrats just slavishly maintaining the most absurd lies no matter what. It's definitely a cult.
 
Wow, having shot down all chances of getting any credibility ever again has these Democrats just slavishly maintaining the most absurd lies no matter what. It's definitely a cult.

It really isn't a surprise anymore that these radically uneducated libs keep denying the fact that there was zero evidence
that Trump colluded with Putin, and in fact, it was obama's deep state cult that went into attack Trump mode that lasted
for almost a decade now that is being looked into and beautifully uncovered by Trump's team to where treasonous dipshits
like comey, brennan, susan rice, clapper et all are now lawyering up to face the onslaught of what obama's treasonous
commands demanded. Oh, and lets not forget comey's refusal to indict the hildebast for her collusion with the dirty
dossier etc.
 
I disagree with you, on both of your assertions. There are certainly legitimate 3rd party options. The fact that they don't currently have enough votes to win in a general election doesn't take away from their legitimacy. And no, not voting for candidates you don't like doesn't actually mean that your vote goes "de-facto" to any candidate. I'm not American, but I -am- Canadian. I was still in Canada when they held the federal election of 2021. I decided that none of the parties were worth my vote, not even ones that stood virtually 0 chance of winning. That doesn't mean I wasn't politically active in the past, far from it. I've -campaigned- for candidates I believed in. I just didn't believe in any federal candidate in 2021, so I decided my best option was to simply not vote.
Trump IS a 'third party' candidate'. He just raided the GOP and got a lot of votes from people who hated both parties, is all. The RNC hated him as much as the DNC criminal syndicate hates him. Wall Street hates him, hundreds of the biggest corporations hate him, and he ended up having them by the balls. This is why I laugh at the morons who claim they're against billionaires and Big Capitalism N Stuff while voting for Democrats and RNC shills.

A lot of people go for this "lesser of evils" thing. I've never found myself in a position to agree, though I don't rule out the possibility that one day I might.

What you really mean is you're a narcissist who hates anybody who doesn't pander to you and your specific fantasies and political nonsense, is all, same as most other Burb Brats, especially left wing ones.

You certainly jump to a lot of conclusions. I'll leave you to them.
 
I can certainly believe that Trump is in the Epstein files, but that doesn't change the fact that Russiagate was a hoax fabricated by the democratic establishment.
Nope. The Mueller report clearly found that the Russians attempted to interfere in the election on behalf of the Toadfstool. The fact that the (D)s used these facts as campaign items doesn't mean that they made them up.

They were made up though. Plenty of evidence for this. A good article on the subject by someone who's been following the story for quite some time now, Aaron Mate, published this past Tuesday on his substack:
 
They were made up though. Plenty of evidence for this. A good article on the subject by someone who's been following the story for quite some time now, Aaron Mate, published this past Tuesday on his substack:
Nyet, tovarish. Robert Mueller is a Vietnam war hero and lifelong Republican. I don't trust the fucking Russians or their lackies.


 
I disagree with you, on both of your assertions. There are certainly legitimate 3rd party options.

Well, speaking as an American who has voted in every election for the past 45 to 50 years I'm going to disagree with your traverse.

The fact that they don't currently have enough votes to win in a general election doesn't take away from their legitimacy.

yes it does. In America third parties don't get the federal matching funds that the established parties have until they get a specific level of votes in an election.

And, indeed, in terms of realpolitick there is no legitimate third party in the US electoral system. It just doesn't exist. HYPOTHETICAL third parties do but they aren't real.

And no, not voting for candidates you don't like doesn't actually mean that your vote goes "de-facto" to any candidate

In a two party only system it kinda does. Again, your hypothesis that there is a legit third party option in the US system is where your theory breaks down.

IF it existed it WOULD be a way to force votes. EVEN IF WE HAD RANKED CHOICE VOTING it would help.

But we don't.

Your experience as a Canadian in a very different system from ours does not give you necessary insight. Knowing how America actually functions is a bit more nuanced and requires a certain degree of brain damage.
 
They were made up though. Plenty of evidence for this. A good article on the subject by someone who's been following the story for quite some time now, Aaron Mate, published this past Tuesday on his substack:
Nyet, tovarish.
That response is so dated- aside from the fact that I'm not communist, neither is Russia at this point.

Robert Mueller is a Vietnam war hero and lifelong Republican.

I took a look at his Wikipedia page. I can certainly agree that he showed bravery during his time in Vietnam. Doesn't change the fact that I believe the U.S. should never have been there to begin with. The fact that he's a lifelong Republican in and of itself means little. There are good and bad republicans, just like there are good and bad democrats.

I don't trust the fucking Russians or their lackies.

No need to get emotional about it. In any case, the article I linked to wasn't from a Russian news outlet, but to a well respected American journalist. His Wikipedia page can be seen here:

Here's a bit from his Wikipedia page:
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Aaron Maté (/ˈmɑːteɪ/ MAH-tay; born 13 March 1979) is a Canadian writer and journalist. He hosts the show Pushback with Aaron Maté on The Grayzone and, as of January 2022, he fills in as a host on the Useful Idiots podcast. Maté has worked as a reporter and producer for Democracy Now!, Vice, The Real News Network, and Al Jazeera, and has contributed to The Nation.

[snip]

He challenged allegations of collusion between the Russian government and the 2016 Trump presidential campaign, and the extent to which Russian interference influenced the outcome of the 2016 US presidential election, winning an Izzy Award for this work.
**

I suspect that all of the above still won't get you to click on Aaron Mate's article, though, so I'll quote a bit of it that I think is pretty important:
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“Low Confidence” in Core Allegation

Until now, the purported U.S. intelligence consensus on Russian meddling has been conveyed to the public in three seminal reports.

The first was a January 2017 intelligence community assessment (ICA) released in the final days of the Obama administration under the direction of Brennan and then-Director of National Intelligence James Clapper. The ICA accused Russian President Vladimir Putin of ordering an “influence campaign” to “denigrate” Democratic candidate Clinton and “help” Trump win the 2016 election. Some of this effort involved propaganda on Russian media outlets and messaging on social media.

The larger component hinged on the allegation that the GRU, Russia’s main intelligence agency, stole emails and documents from the Democratic Party and released that material principally via two online entities, DCLeaks and Guccifer 2.0, as well as the whistleblower organization WikiLeaks. Julian Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks, has long denied that Russia or any other state actor was his source. Nevertheless, the January 2017 ICA stated that U.S. intelligence had “high confidence” that Russia engineered the hack.

The Mueller report, issued more than two years later, advanced the ICA’s claims with even more confidence and specificity. A bipartisan Senate intelligence review, released in August 2020, endorsed the ICA and Mueller reports and was widely treated as a vindication of the conduct of the intelligence officials behind them.

The documents newly declassified by Gabbard show that the ICA, Mueller, and Senate reports all excluded the intelligence community’s own secretly identified doubts and evidentiary gaps on the core allegation of Russian meddling.

In a previously unpublished Intelligence Community Assessment circulated within the government on Sept. 12, 2016 (hereafter “September ICA”), the FBI and NSA expressed “low confidence” that Russia was behind the hack and release of Democratic Party emails. U.S. intelligence agencies, the report explained, “lack sufficient technical details” to link the stolen Democratic Party material released by WikiLeaks and other sources “to Russian state-sponsored actors.”

**

Full article:
 
I disagree with you, on both of your assertions. There are certainly legitimate 3rd party options.
Well, speaking as an American who has voted in every election for the past 45 to 50 years I'm going to disagree with your traverse.
My... traverse?
Sorry, legalese slipping in there. Too many patent prosecutions in my reading queue today.

I took a look online for a legal meaning of the word traverse, I found this:
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To deny formally (an allegation of fact by the opposing party) in a lawsuit.
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Source:

Even using that definition of the term, I'm not sure what that would have to do with what I was discussing.
 
I took a look online for a legal meaning of the word traverse, I found this:
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To deny formally (an allegation of fact by the opposing party) in a lawsuit.
**
Source:

Even using that definition of the term, I'm not sure what that would have to do with what I was discussing.

Give it a rest. I disagree with your outside view of American politics.

(ANd traverse is not limited to a lawsuit)
 
That response is so dated- aside from the fact that I'm not communist, neither is Russia at this point.



I took a look at his Wikipedia page. I can certainly agree that he showed bravery during his time in Vietnam. Doesn't change the fact that I believe the U.S. should never have been there to begin with. The fact that he's a lifelong Republican in and of itself means little. There are good and bad republicans, just like there are good and bad democrats.



No need to get emotional about it. In any case, the article I linked to wasn't from a Russian news outlet, but to a well respected American journalist. His Wikipedia page can be seen here:

Here's a bit from his Wikipedia page:
**
Aaron Maté (/ˈmɑːteɪ/ MAH-tay; born 13 March 1979) is a Canadian writer and journalist. He hosts the show Pushback with Aaron Maté on The Grayzone and, as of January 2022, he fills in as a host on the Useful Idiots podcast. Maté has worked as a reporter and producer for Democracy Now!, Vice, The Real News Network, and Al Jazeera, and has contributed to The Nation.

[snip]

He challenged allegations of collusion between the Russian government and the 2016 Trump presidential campaign, and the extent to which Russian interference influenced the outcome of the 2016 US presidential election, winning an Izzy Award for this work.
**

I suspect that all of the above still won't get you to click on Aaron Mate's article, though, so I'll quote a bit of it that I think is pretty important:
**

“Low Confidence” in Core Allegation

Until now, the purported U.S. intelligence consensus on Russian meddling has been conveyed to the public in three seminal reports.

The first was a January 2017 intelligence community assessment (ICA) released in the final days of the Obama administration under the direction of Brennan and then-Director of National Intelligence James Clapper. The ICA accused Russian President Vladimir Putin of ordering an “influence campaign” to “denigrate” Democratic candidate Clinton and “help” Trump win the 2016 election. Some of this effort involved propaganda on Russian media outlets and messaging on social media.

The larger component hinged on the allegation that the GRU, Russia’s main intelligence agency, stole emails and documents from the Democratic Party and released that material principally via two online entities, DCLeaks and Guccifer 2.0, as well as the whistleblower organization WikiLeaks. Julian Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks, has long denied that Russia or any other state actor was his source. Nevertheless, the January 2017 ICA stated that U.S. intelligence had “high confidence” that Russia engineered the hack.

The Mueller report, issued more than two years later, advanced the ICA’s claims with even more confidence and specificity. A bipartisan Senate intelligence review, released in August 2020, endorsed the ICA and Mueller reports and was widely treated as a vindication of the conduct of the intelligence officials behind them.

The documents newly declassified by Gabbard show that the ICA, Mueller, and Senate reports all excluded the intelligence community’s own secretly identified doubts and evidentiary gaps on the core allegation of Russian meddling.

In a previously unpublished Intelligence Community Assessment circulated within the government on Sept. 12, 2016 (hereafter “September ICA”), the FBI and NSA expressed “low confidence” that Russia was behind the hack and release of Democratic Party emails. U.S. intelligence agencies, the report explained, “lack sufficient technical details” to link the stolen Democratic Party material released by WikiLeaks and other sources “to Russian state-sponsored actors.”

**

Full article:
You're free to believe you don't constantly defend Mother Russia from the big, bad United States.
 
I took a look online for a legal meaning of the word traverse, I found this:
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To deny formally (an allegation of fact by the opposing party) in a lawsuit.
**
Source:

Even using that definition of the term, I'm not sure what that would have to do with what I was discussing.
Give it a rest.

Give it a rest? I had been trying to understand what you were trying to convey. I think it stands to reason that one can't have a productive discussion if one can't understand what the other person is trying to say.

I disagree with your outside view of American politics.

Alright, -that- I can undertsand.

(ANd traverse is not limited to a lawsuit)

Fine, but since I'm not a lawyer you might as well have used a word in a language I don't understand.
 
That response is so dated- aside from the fact that I'm not communist, neither is Russia at this point.



I took a look at his Wikipedia page. I can certainly agree that he showed bravery during his time in Vietnam. Doesn't change the fact that I believe the U.S. should never have been there to begin with. The fact that he's a lifelong Republican in and of itself means little. There are good and bad republicans, just like there are good and bad democrats.



No need to get emotional about it. In any case, the article I linked to wasn't from a Russian news outlet, but to a well respected American journalist. His Wikipedia page can be seen here:

Here's a bit from his Wikipedia page:
**
Aaron Maté (/ˈmɑːteɪ/ MAH-tay; born 13 March 1979) is a Canadian writer and journalist. He hosts the show Pushback with Aaron Maté on The Grayzone and, as of January 2022, he fills in as a host on the Useful Idiots podcast. Maté has worked as a reporter and producer for Democracy Now!, Vice, The Real News Network, and Al Jazeera, and has contributed to The Nation.

[snip]

He challenged allegations of collusion between the Russian government and the 2016 Trump presidential campaign, and the extent to which Russian interference influenced the outcome of the 2016 US presidential election, winning an Izzy Award for this work.
**

I suspect that all of the above still won't get you to click on Aaron Mate's article, though, so I'll quote a bit of it that I think is pretty important:
**

“Low Confidence” in Core Allegation

Until now, the purported U.S. intelligence consensus on Russian meddling has been conveyed to the public in three seminal reports.

The first was a January 2017 intelligence community assessment (ICA) released in the final days of the Obama administration under the direction of Brennan and then-Director of National Intelligence James Clapper. The ICA accused Russian President Vladimir Putin of ordering an “influence campaign” to “denigrate” Democratic candidate Clinton and “help” Trump win the 2016 election. Some of this effort involved propaganda on Russian media outlets and messaging on social media.

The larger component hinged on the allegation that the GRU, Russia’s main intelligence agency, stole emails and documents from the Democratic Party and released that material principally via two online entities, DCLeaks and Guccifer 2.0, as well as the whistleblower organization WikiLeaks. Julian Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks, has long denied that Russia or any other state actor was his source. Nevertheless, the January 2017 ICA stated that U.S. intelligence had “high confidence” that Russia engineered the hack.

The Mueller report, issued more than two years later, advanced the ICA’s claims with even more confidence and specificity. A bipartisan Senate intelligence review, released in August 2020, endorsed the ICA and Mueller reports and was widely treated as a vindication of the conduct of the intelligence officials behind them.

The documents newly declassified by Gabbard show that the ICA, Mueller, and Senate reports all excluded the intelligence community’s own secretly identified doubts and evidentiary gaps on the core allegation of Russian meddling.

In a previously unpublished Intelligence Community Assessment circulated within the government on Sept. 12, 2016 (hereafter “September ICA”), the FBI and NSA expressed “low confidence” that Russia was behind the hack and release of Democratic Party emails. U.S. intelligence agencies, the report explained, “lack sufficient technical details” to link the stolen Democratic Party material released by WikiLeaks and other sources “to Russian state-sponsored actors.”

**

Full article:
You're free to believe you don't constantly defend Mother Russia from the big, bad United States.

When it comes to the war in Ukraine, I certainly think that the west, lead by the U.S., has been the primary aggressor for a long time now. I think the 2014 Euromaidan coup was when things kicked off into high gear. But I certainly don't always agree with Russia's politics. Their views on the LGBTQ movement, for instance:
 
Give it a rest? I had been trying to understand what you were trying to convey. I think it stands to reason that one can't have a productive discussion if one can't understand what the other person is trying to say.



Alright, -that- I can undertsand.



Fine, but since I'm not a lawyer you might as well have used a word in a language I don't understand.

I'd be more than interested to have a conversation. But clearly you are going to get hung up on minutiae that don't really matter so I'll just bow out at this point.

Thanks.
 
I'd be more than interested to have a conversation.

Good to hear.

But clearly you are going to get hung up on minutiae that don't really matter so I'll just bow out at this point.

Ye of little faith -.-. I wanted to understand what you meant by traverse, I think you explained it with more common words now. So I can now proceed with the -rest- of your post from a few posts ago.
 
The fact that they don't currently have enough votes to win in a general election doesn't take away from their legitimacy.
yes it does. In America third parties don't get the federal matching funds that the established parties have until they get a specific level of votes in an election.

And, indeed, in terms of realpolitick there is no legitimate third party in the US electoral system. It just doesn't exist. HYPOTHETICAL third parties do but they aren't real.

You seem to think that a political party only matters if it can win in an election. I don't share that view.
 
And no, not voting for candidates you don't like doesn't actually mean that your vote goes "de-facto" to any candidate.
In a two party only system it kinda does.

Come on. If you don't vote, you don't vote.

Again, your hypothesis that there is a legit third party option in the US system is where your theory breaks down.

Again, your assertion rests on the assumption that a party is only legitimate if it can win an election.
 
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