Russia and Ukraine just signed a grain export deal

Or they could attack Russian targets in the Donbass from protected areas in the interior of Ukraine. Send the Ukrainians a limited number of 300 km missiles and if they use them on targets inside of Ukraine replace them with more 300 km missiles.
recipe for war with Russia. Although we are in a proxy war already
 
Then let's win it.

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on Debate Politics there is a Uk war thread. I post on it mostly objecting to Europe not handling their war,
while we focus on the Pacific. Remember China?? the real existential threat??
I no longer think the US military can handle the "2 war doctrine"
But there is a guy from Ukraine who posts a lot of Ukriane twitter feed.

I'm pretty sure the HIMAR artillery is hitting it's targets, I'm also sure Russia is consolidating gains and there isnt going to be any counterattack in Donbas.

I think Ukraine is going to go after Russian occupation of the south,,but DO NOT TRUST anything you see
 
Where will Zelensky run his ' government-in-exile ' from - if his own troops don't shoot him ?

The English are very keen to be associated.
 
The keyboard generals are very keen on escalation.
so are the real US generals.. not our war as far as Im concerned. Let Europe handle it's own war
There isnt even a fig leaf or pretense for peace talks anymore. Slug it out for all I care not a whiff about Ukraine or Russian border war
 
Clumsy, what ? The Russians took out a warship and a warehouse full of Brit ' Harpoon ' missiles without killing anybody. That's BBC fact, maggot. Your lot.
where did they get the intelligence the Harpoon were there? see what I mean?
it's crazy to buy into either sides coverage
 
so are the real US generals.. not our war as far as Im concerned. Let Europe handle it's own war
There isnt even a fig leaf or pretense for peace talks anymore. Slug it out for all I care not a whiff about Ukraine or Russian border war

That's hardly fair, is it- as it was Biden's posturing that started it.
 
That's hardly fair, is it- as it was Biden's posturing that started it.
N o Russia did the invasion,the west did the predicate for the war. fuck all of this..not our war
Ukraine and Russia are geographically tied together, at some point they both have to enter talks/
I have no interest in escalating this crap further
 
Where will Zelensky run his ' government-in-exile ' from - if his own troops don't shoot him ?

The English are very keen to be associated.

Hmmmm- maybe in America;

US cites safety concerns regarding Ukrainian president

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US National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan has voiced concern regarding the safety of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.

Sullivan said on Friday that Washington was worried about the personal safety of Zelensky and was assisting with the security of the Ukrainian leader after the conflict started with Russia.

The US security official said Russia was “capable of just about anything”.

“President Zelensky’s personal safety is something that concerns us,” Sullivan told the Aspen Security Forum in Colorado. “This is a leader in wartime, dealing with an enemy in Russia that is ruthless, brutal and capable of just about anything.”

Sullivan said the US was helping to “facilitate” the Ukrainian leader’s security.

Asked whether he was worried about declining public support for Ukraine at home, Sullivan said that he worried “about literally everything,” except the continued supply of weapons to Kiev.

The US has spent $8 billion on military aid to Kiev since the start of Russia's military campaign on Feb. 24.

https://www.presstv.co.uk/Detail/2022/07/23/686136/US-Ukraine-Zelenskyy-Safety-Security-

Risky though.
 
You were recently posting images of the silos that were hit.
that's the story I got off DP and MS coverage. Today I read the Russian story. It makes more sense
But then I wonder how Russia got the intel??

too many rabbit holes to believe anything fully
 
The Zelenskies have been executing ' spies ' left, right and center. There are far more pro-Russian Ukrainians than the western media will ever admit to.
The ' Harpoons ' didn't get into the storage facility by themselves. Somebody had to deliver them, somebody had to store them, somebody had to guard them.
The Russians got the intel from their ultra-high resolution surveillance equipment, maybe, of maybe somebody phoned his mum in Moscow.
 
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