Rubio - no exceptions for rape & incest?

[BRUTALITOPS]

Sperm cells aren't living beings

yes it is. A cell is alive.

whereas a human embryo is a living human being.

debatable. There is no universal definition of what a "human being" is.

Again, every cell in my body has my DNA, that doesn't make my skin cells a human being. What we ultimately define our sense of self by is our brain, and our cognition, our ability to reason, think, and the emergent property of consciousness. Without those things, we are sacks of meat and nothing more.

The dirty little irony is that the pro-abortion argument is decidedly unscientific. In fact, it's irrational and would be deemed as such but for the fact abortion must remain legal. Arbitrarily designating that life begins at 2 years of age is the sort of thing that arises out of irrational thinking.

I am not arguing an embryo isn't alive. I am not arguing life begins at 2 years old. Try and keep up dumbass. I am talking about sentient life, self awareness.

 

[evince]

trash

 

[J Craft]

A sperm is living organism, but it is not a human being. Self awareness is as simple as "I cry and someone tends to me" it's the same kind of sub conscience self awareness that is innate to being alive. But as to sentinence in-utero, the ability to feel and react to pain begins at 18 weeks.

 

[evince]

a baby dies not need to be killed for any logical reason.


a zygote inhabits a human body.


the person who owns that body has control over what goes on inside that body

 

[BRUTALITOPS]

trash

pretty sure you didnt watch it.

 

[BRUTALITOPS]

a baby dies not need to be killed for any logical reason.

population contol

finances

you don't like it

it smells, it's noisy

target practice

 

[evince]

you never grow up huh

 

[Jarod]

I respect Rubio's position. If you believe abortion is murder... its the only consistent position one can take.

However, it will play out very badly for him in the general. If he holds to that position HRC will trounce him.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

So what are you waiting for?

Oh yeah, you sure do LOVE to TALK a big game, how bout just this once you back it up with some action?

You think the poor should die?

Then get out there and start killing.

I notice that you didn't even bother to refute his comments about snowden being a traitor, happy being spied upon, living under a microscope, and sucking the governments cock. is that because you enjoy being the serf and demand others be so controlled and regulated to make you feel safer? better about your underachiever status? more comfortable about your lack of courage and principles?

 

[evince]

I respect Rubio's position. If you believe abortion is murder... its the only consistent position one can take.

However, it will play out very badly for him in the general. If he holds to that position HRC will trounce him.

he is lying about It anyway



most of them don't believe it themselves


they just lie for votes

 

[Norah]

Of course you don't.



Do you think the girls who are raped by their fathers etc. wanted to "have a relationship with a relative"?

If they are raped then the obvious answer is no

 

[Jarod]

Why does the acceptability of an abortion changed based on the intent of the father, the family relationship between the parents, or the willingness of the mother?

 

[Darth Omar]

yes it is. A cell is alive.

If you want to keep the discussion scientific, the proper word is 'viable'. Living things are categorized according to genus/species, again according to science. If you want to share your philosophy I believe there's a forum for that.

Sperm are either viable or they're not. Human embryos are living organisms categorized as Homo sapiens.

debatable. There is no universal definition of what a "human being" is.

Yes there is, and it's settled science. Human beings are Homo sapiens.

Again, every cell in my body has my DNA, that doesn't make my skin cells a human being. What we ultimately define our sense of self by is our brain, and our cognition, our ability to reason, think, and the emergent property of consciousness. Without those things, we are sacks of meat and nothing more.

I am not arguing an embryo isn't alive. I am not arguing life begins at 2 years old. Try and keep up dumbass. I am talking about sentient life, self awareness.

No point in getting pissy about it lol. It's not my fault you reject rationality on the subject. Again, unless it has a genus/species name it is not a 'living thing' in terms of biology. If you claim that your liver is 'alive' you would rightfully get some strange looks in anatomy class.

And probably a meeting with the professor after class. It's nonsense.

 

[J Craft]

I respect Rubio's position. If you believe abortion is murder... its the only consistent position one can take.

However, it will play out very badly for him in the general. If he holds to that position HRC will trounce him.

No one who holds a pro abortion position, and votes acvordingly, would ever vote GOP. So your thinking his position will hurt him is wrong.

 

[CFM]

I don't really care how pro-life you are. That's inhumane, and completely out of touch.

I hope NH can change the course of this campaign. Doesn't look like it, though. The 3 GOP frontrunners are all incredibly flawed candidates.

Yet you support the tearing apart of life because in over 90% of the abortions done it's for convenience. Talk about inhumane and out of touch.

 

[Jarod]

No one who holds a pro abortion position, and votes acvordingly, would ever vote GOP. So your thinking his position will hurt him is wrong.

Yes, I think a LOT of moderates, especially women who are told that even if they were raped, Rubio would regally require them to spend 9 months pregnant and to bring a result of their victimization into the world as an infant that would require care. IN many states the rapist would then be allowed to claim parental rights.

 

[Jarod]

No one who holds a pro abortion position, and votes acvordingly, would ever vote GOP. So your thinking his position will hurt him is wrong.

I know quite a few Pro-Choice people who vote Republican. They don't see it as an important issue and agree with the Republicans on economic issues.

 

[cawacko]

No one who holds a pro abortion position, and votes acvordingly, would ever vote GOP. So your thinking his position will hurt him is wrong.

Actually there are a number of people who consider themselves pro-choice but still vote Republican. There are very few people who are going to agree 100% with one party. Thus it comes down to prioritizing what issues are most important to you and voting based on that.

 

[cawacko]

No one who holds a pro abortion position, and votes acvordingly, would ever vote GOP. So your thinking his position will hurt him is wrong.

I'm re-reading your post here and maybe I misunderstood the first time. If you are saying someone who votes based on the abortion issue and is pro-choice thus won't for a Republican then I agree with you.

I would say there are those voters for whom abortion isn't the number one issue, such as pro-choice Republicans, but could view Rubio's position here as more to the right than they would like. I can't say how big of an affect it might have but I'm sure it will come into play.

 

[Jarod]

HRC will effectively portray it as an anti-woman position that is being promoted by a man who thinks government should make decisions for women.

It will play well for HRC.