Ronald Reagan's standard: "Are you better off ... ?" In 2017? In 2021?

Thing1 said:
2008-09 were incredibly bleak. No one was hiring - no one. We were bleeding millions of jobs. The economy was losing about $1 trillion per month for a stretch. The market was in a freefall.
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that's patently false as I and many of my IT peers were all hired in different job outlets.

Thing1 said:
Frankly, it's not even a discussion. I would by no means describe today's economy as "great," but companies are hiring, people can get jobs, the market has done a lot better and we're growing. How is that not better? Does no one remember that time?
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again, I and many of my peers got hired. as for today.....like i said earlier. i'm making more, but everything now costs more, so it hasn't gotten any better for me, just not any worse.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
that's patently false as I and many of my IT peers were all hired in different job outlets.

again, I and many of my peers got hired. as for today.....like i said earlier. i'm making more, but everything now costs more, so it hasn't gotten any better for me, just not any worse.
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Re: the bolded - I suppose my statement was too extreme. But I assume you'd agree that there was very little hiring taking place back then, as opposed to now? And that now, it is much easier for the average American to get a job?
 
"or an even grander idea would be cutting taxes for the lower income tax brackets, allowing them to KEEP more of their money, you think?" #35
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No. Not necessarily.

If cutting taxes were intrinsically good, then we should just eliminate all taxes completely, and be done with it.

We pay for the government services we receive, by paying taxes, fees, highway tolls, etc.

I'm all for cutting taxes.

BUT !!
U.S. NATIONAL DEBT CLOCK

The Outstanding Public Debt as of 01 Nov 2016 at 03:58:52 PM GMT is:
$ 1 9 , 8 2 9 , 9 6 2 , 2 6 0 , 4 9 8 . 2 7

The estimated population of the United States is 324,061,357
so each citizen's share of this debt is $61,192.00.

http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/
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"Houston! We have a problem!"

You want to cut taxes in half? DANDY !!

Which 60% of government services would you like to cut, so we can run modest surplus budgets?

President Trump promises to build up the U.S. military. F O R W H A T ?!?!?!

Cutting taxes is fine.
But cut spending further first.
 
Thing1 said:
Re: the bolded - I suppose my statement was too extreme. But I assume you'd agree that there was very little hiring taking place back then, as opposed to now? And that now, it is much easier for the average American to get a job?
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I would agree with this, yes. would you also agree that the cost of living has gone up so much that those gains in employment are practically negligible?
 
sear said:
No. Not necessarily.

If cutting taxes were intrinsically good, then we should just eliminate all taxes completely, and be done with it.

We pay for the government services we receive, by paying taxes, fees, highway tolls, etc.

I'm all for cutting taxes.

BUT !!

"Houston! We have a problem!"

You want to cut taxes in half? DANDY !!

Which 60% of government services would you like to cut, so we can run modest surplus budgets?

President Trump promises to build up the U.S. military. F O R W H A T ?!?!?!

Cutting taxes is fine.
But cut spending further first.
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a fine idea, but doomed to failure because of the beast known as the government. the only way to cut government spending is forcing the government to have less to spend. otherwise it's like telling a kid not to spoil their appetite with cookies, but leaving the full cookie jar in sight.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
I would agree with this, yes. would you also agree that the cost of living has gone up so much that those gains in employment are practically negligible?
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I wouldn't call gains in employment negligible. To me, that's the biggest thing - getting people back to work.

Wage stagnation is the biggest problem there. And it's a real problem.
 
Thing1 said:
I wouldn't call gains in employment negligible. To me, that's the biggest thing - getting people back to work.

Wage stagnation is the biggest problem there. And it's a real problem.
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it's not wage stagnation. as in a previous post, i'm making 40% more than I was in 08, but the cost of living has gone up more than the wages. with that kind of inflation, the only entities that benefit from more people working is government and big business.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
i'm not sure how you come about this 'fact'. i'm making approximately 40% more money than I was during bush, but almost all of my expenses have doubled, at a minimum. I'm pretty sure im not alone in that, so how are we better off?
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I'm much better off. If your expenses have doubled, how is that Obama's fault?

Manage your money better.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
it's not wage stagnation. as in a previous post, i'm making 40% more than I was in 08, but the cost of living has gone up more than the wages. with that kind of inflation, the only entities that benefit from more people working is government and big business.
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Buuuullllshit. Inflation has been virtually flat since 2008.
 
christiefan915 said:
I'm much better off. If your expenses have doubled, how is that Obama's fault?

Manage your money better.
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how do you manage your money better when expenses have doubled?
salaries haven't doubled -they are virtually flat. GDP is anemic.
Good jobs are replaced by McJobs.
 
Thing1 said:
I wouldn't call gains in employment negligible. To me, that's the biggest thing - getting people back to work.

Wage stagnation is the biggest problem there. And it's a real problem.
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give Obama credit for jobs. now where do we go?
Trump is addressing offshoring,and crappy trade deals..that's at least part of it.
 
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