Romney's '47 percent' chosen as year's best quote

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1. That was a god awful quote from Romney and he deserves all the mocking he gets from it.

2. Not surprising ken can't understand the quote. The quote wasn't about the number of Americans it was about taxpayers. Around 140 million individual tax returns are filed each year. Of that number 47% don't pay federal income tax. The 47% number doesn't include babies and children. Not that hard to understand.
 
I don't think this really hurt Romney that much. He was always a longshot anyway, despite the overhyped "Romney momentum" after the 1st debate.
 
cawacko said:
1. That was a god awful quote from Romney and he deserves all the mocking he gets from it.

2. Not surprising ken can't understand the quote. The quote wasn't about the number of Americans it was about taxpayers. Around 140 million individual tax returns are filed each year. Of that number 47% don't pay federal income tax. The 47% number doesn't include babies and children. Not that hard to understand.
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It was quite a good remark.....at the very least, it was absolutely true......

Romney advocating tax breaks certainly wouldn't mean a damn thing to that 47% that pay nothing to begin with.....
that was his message and makes perfect sense.....even though it was spun, lied about, and mis-characterized to mean something totally different than that..

The liars, with the media as allies, did a super job of character assassination with that line as they always do....perfectly done....
 
bravo said:
It was quite a good remark.....at the very least, it was absolutely true......

Romney advocating tax breaks certainly wouldn't mean a damn thing to that 47% that pay nothing to begin with.....
that was his message and makes perfect sense.....even though it was spun, lied about, and mis-characterized to mean something totally different than that..

The liars, with the media as allies, did a super job of character assassination with that line as they always do....perfectly done....
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I'll tell you why I strongly disagree with it. The Republican message has been one of anyone in this country can live the American dream. Romney's comment was the opposite of that. He essentially said these 47% don't want to better themselves and there's nothing we can do about it. The other mistake he made is thinking that those in the that 47% can't see the big picture and would only accept tax cuts if it affects them personally. I disagree with that as well. That would be like me saying 'well because I don't make $250k a year I should support raising taxes on those who do'.

To me he completely blew it with that comment.
 
cawacko said:
1. That was a god awful quote from Romney and he deserves all the mocking he gets from it.

2. Not surprising ken can't understand the quote. The quote wasn't about the number of Americans it was about taxpayers. Around 140 million individual tax returns are filed each year. Of that number 47% don't pay federal income tax. The 47% number doesn't include babies and children. Not that hard to understand.
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What you refused to mention, was that app. 13% of those 47% are retired seniors whose sole income is Social Security.

Another percentage that I don't have at my disposal, is combat soldiers who pay no taxes. Followed by those who work full time, but don't earn enough (no doubt in right to work states) to qualify for federal income taxation. They do, however, pay FICA, as well as the variety of taxes that we all pay.

There were 13,000 who made over $500,000 in '11 that paid no taxes.

There were 4000 millionaires who paid no taxes in '11.

Why wouldn't you include that in your post?
 
Did Romney pay any taxes? That's why I found it so insulting...he is rich so he can use everything he and those like him have put in place to benefit from the system while keeping their foot on the necks of the little folk...
 
Althea said:
What you refused to mention, was that app. 13% of those 47% are retired seniors whose sole income is Social Security.

Another percentage that I don't have at my disposal, is combat soldiers who pay no taxes. Followed by those who work full time, but don't earn enough (no doubt in right to work states) to qualify for federal income taxation. They do, however, pay FICA, as well as the variety of taxes that we all pay.

There were 13,000 who made over $500,000 in '11 that paid no taxes.

There were 4000 millionaires who paid no taxes in '11.

Why wouldn't you include that in your post?
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Well you know Althea, I'm going to have to personally apologize for not being as smart as you (and Haiku because she obviously knew the numbers as well) and not knowing those numbers off the top of my head. Nor was I attempting to delve deep into the numbers as you and Haiku obviously wanted me to. Again, my apologies.

If you would like back up ken's numbers be my guest. But I know you already know the 47% number is based on those who file income tax returns. I referenced babies and children because they make up the largest group on non tax paying people. I congratulate you and Haiku on being so smart and knowing those other numbers though.


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cawacko said:
Well you know Althea, I'm going to have to personally apologize for not being as smart as you (and Haiku because she obviously knew the numbers as well) and not knowing those numbers off the top of my head. Nor was I attempting to delve deep into the numbers as you and Haiku obviously wanted me to. Again, my apologies.

If you would like back up ken's numbers be my guest. But I know you already know the 47% number is based on those who file income tax returns. I referenced babies and children because they make up the largest group on non tax paying people. I congratulate you and Haiku on being so smart and knowing those other numbers though.


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Whereas you seem to be a tad more openminded than the other conservatives here, your lack of knowledge re. the 47% remark illustrates the problem in this country.

That talking point has been tossed around so much by the right, it's been clarified over and over on the channels that don't have the letters FOX in their name.

Moreover, it demonstrates a gross lack of interest by anyone on the right, to actually check the validity of the claim. All that's necessary, is that TECHNICALLY, the claim is true. Further digging reveals the truth.

As it always does. Maybe we need more shovels in this country.

But we agree on this...the election was officially over for him the minute that tape hit the air. As if 'etch a sketch' wasn't enough.
 
Althea said:
Whereas you seem to be a tad more openminded than the other conservatives here, your lack of knowledge re. the 47% remark illustrates the problem in this country.

That talking point has been tossed around so much by the right, it's been clarified over and over on the channels that don't have the letters FOX in their name.

Moreover, it demonstrates a gross lack of interest by anyone on the right, to actually check the validity of the claim. All that's necessary, is that TECHNICALLY, the claim is true. Further digging reveals the truth.

As it always does. Maybe we need more shovels in this country.

But we agree on this...the election was officially over for him the minute that tape hit the air. As if 'etch a sketch' wasn't enough.
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Dude, did you look at the cartoon ken posted? His number is obviously wrong. That's what I responded to.

I'm aware that veterans and others were included in the 47%. I didn't need to break that out or go in depth about it to show that ken's number was wrong. I'm not sure what else you think I'm not understanding about the comment.
 
cawacko said:
Dude, did you look at the cartoon ken posted? His number is obviously wrong. That's what I responded to.

I'm aware that veterans and others were included in the 47%. I didn't need to break that out or go in depth about it to show that ken's number was wrong. I'm not sure what else you think I'm not understanding about the comment.
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Dude...What numbers did Ken post? He posted Romney's comments.


Edit....and you seemed to defend Romney's comments here:

2. Not surprising ken can't understand the quote. The quote wasn't about the number of Americans it was about taxpayers. Around 140 million individual tax returns are filed each year. Of that number 47% don't pay federal income tax. The 47% number doesn't include babies and children. Not that hard to understand.
 
Althea said:
Dude...What numbers did Ken post? He posted Romney's comments.


Edit....and you seemed to defend Romney's comments here:

2. Not surprising ken can't understand the quote. The quote wasn't about the number of Americans it was about taxpayers. Around 140 million individual tax returns are filed each year. Of that number 47% don't pay federal income tax. The 47% number doesn't include babies and children. Not that hard to understand.
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LOL... I haven't defended Romney ONCE in this thread. Wow, I can't win for losing.

Maybe ken's post came through differently on your computer than mine. On my computer it shows a cartoon that states 47% = 147 million Americans. That's just flat out wrong. The 47% number is in regards to taxpayers. That's not defending Romney that's just a fact. That's what I was responding to.
 
cawacko said:
LOL... I haven't defended Romney ONCE in this thread. Wow, I can't win for losing.

Maybe ken's post came through differently on your computer than mine. On my computer it shows a cartoon that states 47% = 147 million Americans. That's just flat out wrong. The 47% number is in regards to taxpayers. That's not defending Romney that's just a fact. That's what I was responding to.
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That cartoon was an edited version of Romney's comment, I believe it referred to voters, not taxpayers.

As I recall, he said "I'll never get their vote". So I think you got things twisted. If Romney's referring to taxpayers, why would he include those who don't pay taxes? Isn't the claim that 47% of Americans pay no taxes?
 
bravo said:
It was quite a good remark.....at the very least, it was absolutely true......

Romney advocating tax breaks certainly wouldn't mean a damn thing to that 47% that pay nothing to begin with.....
that was his message and makes perfect sense.....even though it was spun, lied about, and mis-characterized to mean something totally different than that..

The liars, with the media as allies, did a super job of character assassination with that line as they always do....perfectly done....
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Bravo, you idiot, you are among the 47%.
There was no spinning needed whatsoever, Romney himself was clear as day, 47% of the people in this country don't matter to him whatsoever, since they wouldn't vote for him.
He accidentaly told a fatal truth about himself, end of story. The only "spin" going on here is yours, and it is beyond idiotic.
 
Rune said:
Bravo, you idiot, you are among the 47%.
There was no spinning needed whatsoever, Romney himself was clear as day, 47% of the people in this country don't matter to him whatsoever, since they wouldn't vote for him.
He accidentaly told a fatal truth about himself, end of story. The only "spin" going on here is yours, and it is beyond idiotic.
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Correct. He actually said 'I don't care about them'.
 
bravo said:
It was quite a good remark.....at the very least, it was absolutely true......

Romney advocating tax breaks certainly wouldn't mean a damn thing to that 47% that pay nothing to begin with.....
that was his message and makes perfect sense.....even though it was spun, lied about, and mis-characterized to mean something totally different than that..

The liars, with the media as allies, did a super job of character assassination with that line as they always do....perfectly done....
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Here is the entire comment made by Romney. Sure, it's about taxes, but it's about a lot more than taxes. I've highlighted sections of the "speech" that signify what, exactly, offended the working class and retired of this country. These words underscore Romney's utter disdain for those less fortunate than him.

There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe that government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they’re entitled to healthcare, to food, to housing, to you-name-it, —it’s entitlement, and the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what. And that—I mean, the president starts off with 48, 49, 48—he starts off with a huge number. These are people who pay no income tax. Forty-seven percent of Americans pay no income tax. So our message of low taxes doesn’t connect. So he’ll be out there talking about tax cuts for the rich. I mean, that’s what they sell every four years. And so, my job is not to worry about those people. I’ll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives. What I have to do is convince the 5 to 10 percent in the center.
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Next, let's take a look at those comments:

1. "dependent on government": 100% of Americans are dependent upon our government. It's not just the poor who depend on the government. We all, collectively, depend on the government to ensure our food is safe, our roads are safe, our children are educated, our borders are secure, our military is strong, our investments are secure, and so on..."Dependence upon government", you see, is not class exclusive.

2. "they are victims": These people don't believe they are "victims". Ten percent of these people are the retired and elderly. They're no more victims than you or I. They've raised children, fought in wars, made sacrifices, kept our nation free. Others in the group aren't victims, either. They're parents, raising children, trying to make ends meet. Others are students, enriching their minds in order to become our future leaders.

3. "they’re entitled to healthcare, to food, to housing": "Entitled"? No. "deserve?" YES! For the exact same reasons I detailed above. These people raised children, fought in wars, made sacrifices, kept our nation free. Others, again, are raising our leaders of tomorrow the best they can and deserve the best education, the healthiest food, and have a vested interest in our future.

4. "people who pay no income tax": Aside from the elderly, two-thirds pay other taxes such as property, excise, sales, etc. Often at a higher rate than the rich who take advantage of sales tax exemptions to corporations. Another group within the 47%, students and young children, will be paying income taxes in the future. Hence, the next comment, "Forty-seven percent of Americans pay no income tax" is a lie.

5. "my job is not to worry about those people": Sorry, Mr. Romney. Your job is to take care of all 100% of Americans. Period. That is the job of the President.

6. "they should take personal responsibility": Really? Since when is raising children, fighting in wars, making sacrifices, keeping our nation free. ensuring our leaders of tomorrow get the best education they can, eat the healthiest food, and being vested interest in our future not taking "personal responsibility"?

Out of these numbers, Mr. Romney, how many people actually don't take personal responsibiity? The drug addicts and alcoholics? The welfare cheaters? Take this into context: When Florida tried to drug test welfare recipients, less than 2% tested positive. One would think that number would also apply to this.

So...we have 2% of the 47% who "take no personal responsibility".

And a former presidential candidate who professes to "take no personal responsibility" for 47% of our nation.


This is why Romney lost the election.
 
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