Roe V Wade has been overturned.

[christiefan915]

Why would I need a biology lecture? Why should I thank my lucky stars? For taking responsibility?

"Using the withdrawal method for birth control requires self-control. Even then, the withdrawal method isn't an especially effective form of birth control. Sperm may enter the vagina if withdrawal isn't properly timed or if pre-ejaculation fluid contains sperm."

 

[Lionfish]

 

[Mott the Hoople]

the 4th protects your papers and effects. Government needs a search warrant etc.
If you havent noticed we have no privacy rights -drones, algoritims virtually every keystroke can be seen without a warrant

It doesn't mean the states cant regulate abortion.
the states have a vested interest in not aborting a viable fetus

Look I recall the Roe construct. Im that old. I remember everyone was shocked at teh privacy claims
The 14th is equal protection, and is only if play if abortion is a right -it doesn't determine that right being implied

I answered another of your posts on bodily autonomy. I'm a libertarian "my body my choice" is my manta.
Bur we dont have that either.. The rest is more a rant. not going there

I don’t necessarily disagree with you but the flaw in abortion rights is the same as privacy and bodily autonomy rights. They need to to be codified. However, good luck doing that with this courts make up.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

slavery was banned by amendment after the civil war. Civil Rights was codifed in 1964. it worked out fine

If you want abortion to be in the same category,then get Congress to act
( which it will never do about anything without an electoral gun at it's collective heads)

Oh I eminently agree that abortion rights should be codified and should have been a long time ago.

I think you miss my point on Civil Rights and Slavery. Before they were codified into Federal Law they had previously been remanded to the States and all did not go well until they were codified into law. Which I’m pretty sure will be the case when unqualified third party persons, like lawyers, politicians and preachers start making decisions only a woman and her doctor should make. Which inevitably will cause preventable deaths and disabling injuries.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Might be impossible to prove. She can go to Connecticut, say she had a miscarriage, and that would be that. If Missouri authorities looked into the matter and discovered Connecticut was the state she had visited they would run into a brick wall investigating what had happened there in the form of new Connecticut law that forbids Connecticut abortion providers from cooperating in out of state investigations into this lawful Connecticut conduct.

And there's also HIPAA to consider. Are they going to start stalking every woman who travels to another state and demanding her health care info from that state's providers? Not likely.

That bill isn't meant to save fetuses. It's meant to criminalize and punish women for being "sluts."

 

[Dutch Uncle]

And there's also HIPAA to consider. Are they going to start stalking every woman who travels to another state and demanding her health care info from that state's providers? Not likely.

That bill isn't meant to save fetuses. It's meant to criminalize and punish women for being "sluts."

Worse, it's meant to control women and the poor. This is what happens when chipping away at individual rights goes mainstream.

 

[ExpressLane]

And there's also HIPAA to consider. Are they going to start stalking every woman who travels to another state and demanding her health care info from that state's providers? Not likely.

That bill isn't meant to save fetuses. It's meant to criminalize and punish women for being "sluts."

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I'm not here to give you a biology lecture. Let's just say you should thank your lucky stars that you beat the odds with that method.

"Do you know what they call people who use the Rhythm Method?"

"Parents"


Maybe he's shooting blanks and can't have kids. LOL

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Pro choicers are a significant majority in America. Close to 70%.

It doesn't matter. The two major political parties have divided the nation in "Us & Them" with their key wedge issues. They are each very divisive and very anti-freedom. Each has spent the past 30 years since the Cold War ended in demonizing the other opposition.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

slavery was banned by amendment after the civil war. Civil Rights was codifed in 1964. it worked out fine

If you want abortion to be in the same category,then get Congress to act
( which it will never do about anything without an electoral gun at it's collective heads)

Oh I eminently agree that abortion rights should be codified and should have been a long time ago.

I think you miss my point on Civil Rights and Slavery. Before they were codified into Federal Law they had previously been remanded to the States and all did not go well until they were codified into law. Which I’m pretty sure will be the case when unqualified third party persons, like lawyers, politicians and preachers start making decisions only a woman and her doctor should make. Which inevitably will cause preventable deaths and disabling injuries.

 

[Earl]

There is no individual Constitutional right to abortion being chipped away.

There never was. The original Roe decision was made after intimidation tactics by the far left.

The far left loons should apologize for a ruling that they forced that was never Constitutional.

Now they are violating federal law by protesting, illegally, at the homes of Supreme Court Justices in an effort to intimidate them into voting differently.

A/G Garland will not prosecute these illegal protests.

He will be removed after the red tsunami in November.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

And there's also HIPAA to consider. Are they going to start stalking every woman who travels to another state and demanding her health care info from that state's providers? Not likely.

That bill isn't meant to save fetuses. It's meant to criminalize and punish women for being "sluts."

Absolutely it’s meant to marginalize women and put them in their place. It is also manifestly an unjust and undue burden on our religious rights.

However if the States who are going to ban abortion and birth control actually attempt to prosecute women and as womens morbidity and mortality rates climb and as womens economic and political rights decline a threshold will be reached and the far right will prove themselves to be the authoritarian fascist they are then the whole thing will crash and burn.

However the the biggest problem Democrats will have will be to marginalize the influence of the neo-Marxist progressives who are the gift that keeps on giving to Republicans.

This whole sorry situation could have been avoided in the first place as Republicans would not have been in power to stack SCOTUS with religious conservative ideologues in the first place.

The neo-Marxist progressive wing of the Democratic Party is the singular most disliked political coalition in this nation. With their Identity politics, their hypersensitive PC, their purity tests and Cancel Culture they are largely despised across the entire political spectrum of this country and they have political influence far in excess of their numbers.

If that influence isn’t reduced to being proportional to their numbers then Democrats will continue to lose elections they could easily win were it not for the progressive factions. It’s pretty apparent that voters prefer an ugly but chosen fascism to the progressives obligatory paradise.

Until that changes the Democrats will be about as effective on this as my neutered pup.

For Democrats to make any meaningful progress to

 

[evince]

And there's also HIPAA to consider. Are they going to start stalking every woman who travels to another state and demanding her health care info from that state's providers? Not likely.

That bill isn't meant to save fetuses. It's meant to criminalize and punish women for being "sluts."

It’s designed to keep women piping white babies and being dependent on white men


Proud boys crap


The Republican Party has a proud boys mindset


It’s Their fantasy that this will save the power in this nation for white men


It’s an idiots game


A dying gasp of sociopathic assholes with control issues



They can’t win


Their only path is failure


That is the only way it turns out


Failure for them


Winning for democracy


They are doomed

 

[evince]

It doesn't matter. The two major political parties have divided the nation in "Us & Them" with their key wedge issues. They are each very divisive and very anti-freedom. Each has spent the past 30 years since the Cold War ended in demonizing the other opposition.

Nope dutch


It’s all the Republican Party


The Democratic Party is not being divisive by standing against an insane Republican Party


Your bullshit ain’t flying

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Nope dutch


It’s all the Republican Party


The Democratic Party is not being divisive by standing against an insane Republican Party


Your bullshit ain’t flying

evince, you know I love you but you are being divisive now; Us versus Them.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

It’s designed to keep women piping white babies and being dependent on white men

It's not just white women. It's *all* women. How can (R)s appeal to the racists in their base if they can't point out all the low-income moocher welfare black women in the "inner cities" taking from the hard-working whites?

 

[Life is Golden]

There is no individual Constitutional right to abortion being chipped away.

There never was. The original Roe decision was made after intimidation tactics by the far left.

The far left loons should apologize for a ruling that they forced that was never Constitutional.

Now they are violating federal law by protesting, illegally, at the homes of Supreme Court Justices in an effort to intimidate them into voting differently.

A/G Garland will not prosecute these illegal protests.

He will be removed after the red tsunami in November.

There was no more a mention of "abortion" in the Constitution or BOR as there was a right to own a slave.

The left wing loons are a victim of their own making. Dumb and dumber.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

There was no more a mention of "abortion" in the Constitution or BOR as there was a right to own a slave.

The left wing loons are a victim of their own making. Dumb and dumber.

No mention of high capacity magazines either. The fucking morons supporting either the Democrats or the Republicans to strip Americans of their unalienable rights are part of the problem.

If you keep supporting political parties chipping away at the Constitution, how long before there's no Constitution worth defending?

 

[Life is Golden]

No mention of high capacity magazines either. The fucking morons supporting either the Democrats or the Republicans to strip Americans of their unalienable rights are part of the problem.

If you keep supporting political parties chipping away at the Constitution, how long before there's no Constitution worth defending?

There is no inalienable "right" to have an abortion or own a slave.

Let's stick to what's really in the Constitution and not the made up bullshit.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

There is no inalienable "right" to have an abortion or own a slave.

Let's stick to what's really in the Constitution and not the made up bullshit.

Ahh, so you don't agree with the Declaration of Independence. Figures. Most Alt-Righties hate the Founders and their Liberalism. Sad.