Republicans to Boehner: Stick it up your ass!

I agree, and generally I laugh when anyone calls a party dead... but these Republicans are pushing the boundries here, they are not acting rationally. They may not chance the name, but the Republicans as they have existed for the last 40 years appear to be finished.

If Obama were willing to offer more than promises of a spending cut I think Boehner would have been able to get something passed. Unfortunately Democrats think that winning their elections means that Republicans somehow lost theirs and promise cuts in 10 years. No promise that far out ever, and I really mean never, comes to fruition. I can understand their reticence. They were going against what their constituency sent them there to do, and doing it without any real concession from Obama.

I do not believe that Obama was negotiating in good faith. His insistence that they come up with the cuts that he'd be willing to do was the first sign of that. He just wanted to batter them with, "Republicans want to kill grandma so that rich people can have 'tax cuts"!"

I'm glad they didn't fall for that idiocy. Now Obama was promising some cuts in programs, all in the far future. I wouldn't agree to that if I were they either.
 
$20 trillion in deficit spending over the next 10 years, and you think $1.2 trillion is a "cut."

Let's not make fun of math skills here.

Over 10 years, don't forget that.

This would be equivalent to me saying we were going to spend 1.2 thousand more per month than before, my wife objecting and me saying, well, I'll give you $24 dollars back every month that's a cut!
 
If Obama were willing to offer more than promises of a spending cut I think Boehner would have been able to get something passed. Unfortunately Democrats think that winning their elections means that Republicans somehow lost theirs and promise cuts in 10 years. No promise that far out ever, and I really mean never, comes to fruition. I can understand their reticence. They were going against what their constituency sent them there to do, and doing it without any real concession from Obama.

I do not believe that Obama was negotiating in good faith. His insistence that they come up with the cuts that he'd be willing to do was the first sign of that. He just wanted to batter them with, "Republicans want to kill grandma so that rich people can have 'tax cuts"!"

I'm glad they didn't fall for that idiocy. Now Obama was promising some cuts in programs, all in the far future. I wouldn't agree to that if I were they either.

I'm not sure if you understand what "good faith" is. Good faith is both sides agreeing to concede certain points for the general good.

The GOP is saying "we want to avoid the cliff with spending cuts & spending cuts only. Deal with it."

I'm amazed that anyone can consider that to be equitable or reasonable. The GOP is going to get burned on this one - bad.
 
I'm not sure if you understand what "good faith" is. Good faith is both sides agreeing to concede certain points for the general good.

The GOP is saying "we want to avoid the cliff with spending cuts & spending cuts only. Deal with it."

I'm amazed that anyone can consider that to be equitable or reasonable. The GOP is going to get burned on this one - bad.


The thing that you don't seem to be getting through your thick head is, tax increases only generate increased revenue on paper. When we raise taxes, a lot of things start to happen, and they are all bad for economic growth, which means, you are collecting a higher rate in taxes on less money, ergo: you get less revenue. In order to compensate for the lost revenues due to your tax increase, we will ultimately have to make even more cuts in spending. We should be actually reducing tax rates to increase tax revenues, but on paper, that looks like it would result in less revenue, because you simple minds can't comprehend we don't live in a vacuum. Reductions in the top marginal rates have historically always produced more tax revenues. So with the fiscal cliff problem, if the idea is to generate revenue to balance the budget, we need to be cutting taxes, not raising them.

Before you start squealing, this is something that even Obama himself understands, he said so in 2008. He was asked the direct question about historically, increasing taxes produced less revenue, and you know what he said? It didn't matter, this was about leveling the playing field for all Americans, and redistributing wealth. If we are going to be "equitable and reasonable" it starts with being honest about what is equitable and then being reasonable about that.

Let's imagine a scenario using Damo's board. Let's say Damo decides that we all need to be paying "our fair share" here, and he implements a system of "taxation" on posting. He starts by announcing that all posts will be taxed .05 and all threads .10, across the board. What would be the result of such a policy? Would we have just as many posts and threads as we've had historically, or would we have fewer posts and threads? I'm guessing fewer. Let's say that after the first year of this policy, Damo has made a certain amount of money from 100 regular posters, who haven't minded paying the tax in order to speak their minds. Damo gets to figuring, if he raises his tax X amount, he should be getting X times 100 next year, from these same posters. So he increases the tax rates, in anticipation of a windfall. But what do you suppose happens when he announces the new tax rates? Well, even more people check out and say to hell with this, I can go post elsewhere for free! Now Damo is collecting more per post and thread, but he has considerably fewer people posting. He needs more revenue, so he again increases his tax rate, and it now costs $10 to post a thread and $5 per post. Where are the posters? What happened to the vibrant community we once knew and loved? They are gone, probably for good, because Damo didn't understand you can't tax your way to prosperity. And this is what happens when we increase top marginal tax rates. The people who are in this income bracket are not those who have no choice, or people who must suck it up and just pay whatever the government says, they have plenty of wealth already, so they check out. You can't tax incomes that no longer exist, and their wealth is sitting in some secure investment fund that you can't touch.

Liberals talk about the "greedy rich" when it is the liberal who is the most greedy of all, your greed prompts you to think you can 'punish' the wealthy with higher tax rates, and you'll get all that beautiful money to do all kinds of cool liberal stuff with... but it won't happen. You'll end up with less money and a dilapidated economy. Who does that hurt? Here's a clue... not the WEALTHY!
 
the tea party republicans voted against boner.


they are a minroity of the republican party who controls the majority of the republican party.


The American people voted for More dems in our house, senate and president.


The American people voted for high end tax rates to go up.

They poll that that is what they want.

why does this country have to be forced by the minority of the minority party to do ITS bidding.


do you understand what Democracy is?


or are you a partisan asshole who Just wants it his way no matter what?
 
So you aren't going to listen to reason and rationally address the points made? Why am I not surprised?

What happened to the "tyranny of the majority" arguments we heard from liberals when Republicans controlled all the power?

DEMOCRATS voted for high end tax rates to go up, not the American people.
 
dixie you have NEVER turned out to be right ONCE in the decade Ive known you on predicting the of the real world results of policy.


You have NO credibility
 
I turned out to be right about all the things you dudes to called me silly names for it.

I was correct.

You were wrong.


when has that EVER made you treat me with the defferance any sane person would when they are talking to someone who has been proven right Over an over and over?



you just keep being stupid and pretending people should pay attention to your yet more bad advice
 
Your the crazy fucking uncle who is always rambling nonsense and saying "mark my word" this or that will happen,


then it never does.


we are sick of you and all the other cons SCREAMING about their predictions when you have ALWAYS been proven fucking wrong.

move crazy uncle
 
dixie you have NEVER turned out to be right ONCE in the decade Ive known you on predicting the of the real world results of policy.

You have NO credibility

Yeah, I turn out to be right dozens of times daily, not just once... you're right!

Hey how's that campaign going to get rid of all the electronic voting machines?
 
Fuck you! We don't live in a Democracy!


Your argurement is not with me its with EVERY dictionary and encyclpedia in the world.


see what I mean you people can be proven wrong over and over aned JUST pretend you were right.

Move crazy uncle
 
Yeah, I turn out to be right dozens of times daily, not just once... you're right!

Hey how's that campaign going to get rid of all the electronic voting machines?


still fighting to keep your party from using them to cheat.

Note a republican didnt win the last two elections even though they tried real hard to keep black people from being able to vote all over the nation
 
Your argurement is not with me its with EVERY dictionary and encyclpedia in the world.


see what I mean you people can be proven wrong over and over aned JUST pretend you were right.

None of them say the United States is a democracy, unless they are inaccurate.

You've not proven anyone wrong.
 
in every encyclopedia we are a Democracy.


why do you pretend that is not true?

it jsut makes you look like a complete asshole
 
in every encyclopedia we are a Democracy.


why do you pretend that is not true?

it jsut makes you look like a complete asshole

Because it's not true Desh, and if we go back to the archives from when Bush was president and Republicans held both houses of Congress, you and the liberal left constantly reminded us of this. Apparently you've forgotten all the arguments of how the Founding Fathers protected us from "MOB RULE" and the tyranny of the majority? We're just not a fucking democracy, there is no pretending, I am not lying, that is a fact, and no dictionary or encyclopedia says we are a democracy, unless it is inaccurate and wrong, like YOU are!

Now fuck off, and stop trolling my thread!
 
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