Republicans force women to wait until they are on the verge of death

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About once a week, we see another woman's life being risked due to draconian abortion laws, and only about one tenth of the final abortion laws are in place. Not to mention for every one we hear about there are dozens that are kept secret.

Austin woman trying for baby says Texas abortion law nearly caused her death
Grace Reader
Thu, October 27, 2022 at 10:12 AM·3 min read

AUSTIN (KXAN) — Amanda and Josh Zurawski have been trying to have a baby for more than a year now. So when the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade and Texas’ abortion ban went into effect, they never anticipated they were going to be directly impacted.

That is until Amanda experienced complications in her pregnancy that meant she was inevitably going to have a miscarriage. It also put her life at risk. Because of Texas’ abortion law, which bans almost all abortions in the state, the family had no choice but to wait until Amanda miscarried or until she was sick enough doctors thought she could die.

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“I was struggling enough with the news that I was going to have to lose my daughter,” Amanda said. “Then on top of that, knowing that I was going to have to wait for days or weeks until the ordeal could be over was … it felt cruel.”

Dr. Leah Tatum, an OBGYN at the Austin Regional Clinic, said while Amanda is not her patient, this is something she’s seeing happen more often than one might think.

“The biggest problem and the reason that she had kind of an inevitable miscarriage is because the sack of water is ruptured when the fetus was pre-viable,” said Tatum. “This is something that comes up frequently in the world of obstetrics. So Amanda’s story is not surprising to me. It’s not unique.”

A few days after the news, Amanda got an infection — sepsis. She was finally sick enough that doctors deemed an abortion medically necessary to save her life.

“I’ve seen her in plenty of different shapes in her life, both the good stuff and the bad stuff and this was the scariest moment for sure,” Josh said. The pair have known each other since childhood.

Amanda and Josh Zurawski
Amanda and Josh Zurawski (KXAN photo/Grace Reader)
So what’s being done? In an interview with WFAA, a Dallas news station, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott addressed situations like this, saying treatments for women with ectopic pregnancies and certain cases of miscarriage are legal in the state.

“Our goal is to make sure to protect the lives of both the mother and the baby, and there’s been too many allegations that have been made about ways in which the lives of the mother [sic] are not being protected,” Abbott said.

Abbott said the law needs to be clarified to protect the mother and the baby. But to get that done, he pointed to the Texas legislature, which won’t be in session again for months.

Nexstar’s KXAN reached out to Abbott for comment on this story and to ask why he did not call a special session to address the issue and has not heard back.

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“I don’t know an obstetrician that wants to be the first person to face felony charges in a situation like this,” Tatum said. “‘At what point can we act?’ is the question.”

For Amanda and Josh, that question mark for doctors could have huge implications for their family’s future. Amanda is still waiting to see if the lasting impacts of her infection will strip the couple of their choice to get pregnant again.

“It feels infuriating because it feels like I may have been robbed of the opportunity to carry my own children in the future and it didn’t need to happen,” said Amanda. “It could have been prevented.”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/austin-woman-trying-baby-says-141210038.html
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Walt said:
About once a week, we see another woman's life being risked due to draconian abortion laws, and only about one tenth of the final abortion laws are in place. Not to mention for every one we hear about there are dozens that are kept secret.
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https://www.thecotas.com/2012/01/se...des even greater,engage in any such conduct.”

"Federal law provides even greater protection (and criminal penalties as severe as $100,000 and a year in prison) if you “take, harass, harm, pursue, hunt, shoot, wound, kill, trap, or capture any marine turtle, turtle nest, and/or eggs, or attempt to engage in any such conduct.”
 
Yakuda said:
"Federal law provides even greater protection (and criminal penalties as severe as $100,000 and a year in prison) if you “take, harass, harm, pursue, hunt, shoot, wound, kill, trap, or capture any marine turtle, turtle nest, and/or eggs, or attempt to engage in any such conduct.”
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Hmmm... So for capturing a turtle you might get one year in prison, but probably much, much less. For kidnapping a woman, you are going to get more than one year in prison. Which is greater?
 
Walt said:
Hmmm... So for capturing a turtle you might get one year in prison, but probably much, much less. For kidnapping a woman, you are going to get more than one year in prison. Which is greater?
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Who is kidnapping women?

How much prison time do people who kikky human babies in the womb get?
 
Yakuda said:
Who is kidnapping women?

How much prison time do people who kikky human babies in the womb get?
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Babies cannot be in the womb. Babies by definition are born.

You want to compare turtles to women? I have never heard of a turtle being arrested for anything, much less destroying its eggs. I am not even sure how that would work. I guess we are all forced to be pro-turtle choice.
 
Walt said:
Babies cannot be in the womb. Babies by definition are born.

You want to compare turtles to women? I have never heard of a turtle being arrested for anything, much less destroying its eggs. I am not even sure how that would work. I guess we are all forced to be pro-turtle choice.
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Lol and there's a $100,000 penalty for "harassing" a turtle egg.

Are you being purposely obtuse?
 
To be clear here, its Texans to elected representatives you shared their views on matters such as this that saw that this come into law.

Not republicans.

You boys make such a to do over "democracy" but when it's put into effect, you don't like it.

I'm sure there are people in California who would rather their state have such protections but they can do nothing but vote and hope more people chose life over infanticide.
 
Celticguy said:
To be clear here, its Texans to elected representatives you shared their views on matters such as this that saw that this come into law.

Not republicans.

You boys make such a to do over "democracy" but when it's put into effect, you don't like it.

I'm sure there are people in California who would rather their state have such protections but they can do nothing but vote and hope more people chose life over infanticide.
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The pro-life / anti-choice position is blatantly misogynist and unforgivably immoral.

One doesn't look good holding it.

Infanticide is killing babies who've been born, and even then, euthanasia is sometimes the more humane step to take, even in that circumstance.
In any case, calling abortion "infanticide" is a clear-cut willingness to be completely disingenuous.
That's the best-case scenario. Otherwise, it's being so stupid that you should have been aborted or post-birth euthanized yourself.
 
Celticguy said:
To be clear here, its Texans to elected representatives you shared their views on matters such as this that saw that this come into law.

Not republicans.

You boys make such a to do over "democracy" but when it's put into effect, you don't like it.

I'm sure there are people in California who would rather their state have such protections but they can do nothing but vote and hope more people chose life over infanticide.
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Texans do not support the harsh Draconian abortion laws

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/08/10/texas-politics-project-abortion-polling/
 
Walt said:
About once a week, we see another woman's life being risked due to draconian abortion laws, and only about one tenth of the final abortion laws are in place. Not to mention for every one we hear about there are dozens that are kept secret.
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No one is forcing malpractice like this.
 
Walt said:
Babies cannot be in the womb. Babies by definition are born.

You want to compare turtles to women? I have never heard of a turtle being arrested for anything, much less destroying its eggs. I am not even sure how that would work. I guess we are all forced to be pro-turtle choice.
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So you want to pivot to turtles to justify murder for convenience.
 
Celticguy said:
To be clear here, its Texans to elected representatives you shared their views on matters such as this that saw that this come into law.

Not republicans.

You boys make such a to do over "democracy" but when it's put into effect, you don't like it.

I'm sure there are people in California who would rather their state have such protections but they can do nothing but vote and hope more people chose life over infanticide.
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A vote doesn't mean anything in a dictatorship.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
The pro-life / anti-choice position is blatantly misogynist and unforgivably immoral.

One doesn't look good holding it.

Infanticide is killing babies who've been born, and even then, euthanasia is sometimes the more humane step to take, even in that circumstance.
In any case, calling abortion "infanticide" is a clear-cut willingness to be completely disingenuous.
That's the best-case scenario. Otherwise, it's being so stupid that you should have been aborted or post-birth euthanized yourself.
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Semantics fallacy. Killing another human being, born or not, when done for the sake of convenience, is murder.
 
Yakuda said:
https://www.thecotas.com/2012/01/se...des even greater,engage in any such conduct.”

"Federal law provides even greater protection (and criminal penalties as severe as $100,000 and a year in prison) if you “take, harass, harm, pursue, hunt, shoot, wound, kill, trap, or capture any marine turtle, turtle nest, and/or eggs, or attempt to engage in any such conduct.”
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...and what gives Congress authority to pass such a law? The Constitution of the United States certainly doesn't.
 
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