Republican wakes up!

Mott the Hoople said:
Debating Desh is like sawing your own leg off without anesthesia. Pretty senseless. LOL

There's much to be gained by discussing issues from others who think differently than you. That not usually going to happen with extreme ideologues like Desh or Ted Cruz. ;)
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You had to add the Ted Cruz part in there didn't you?
 
Mott the Hoople said:
As long as they are not using tax payer dollars or public services provided for by the tax payers in the course of doing their business than you're correct.
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Wrong.

(a) Equal access

All persons shall be entitled to the full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, as defined in this section, without discrimination or segregation on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin.
(b) Establishments affecting interstate commerce or supported in their activities by State action as places of public accommodation; lodgings; facilities principally engaged in selling food for consumption on the premises; gasoline stations; places of exhibition or entertainment; other covered establishments. Each of the following establishments which serves the public is a place of public accommodation within the meaning of this subchapter if its operations affect commerce, or if discrimination or segregation by it is supported by State action:
(1) any inn, hotel, motel, or other establishment which provides lodging to transient guests, other than an establishment located within a building which contains not more than five rooms for rent or hire and which is actually occupied by the proprietor of such establishment as his residence;
(2) any restaurant, cafeteria, lunchroom, lunch counter, soda fountain, or other facility principally engaged in selling food for consumption on the premises, including, but not limited to, any such facility located on the premises of any retail establishment; or any gasoline station;
(3) any motion picture house, theater, concert hall, sports arena, stadium or other place of exhibition or entertainment; and
(4) any establishment (A)(i) which is physically located within the premises of any establishment otherwise covered by this subsection, or (ii) within the premises of which is physically located any such covered establishment, and (B) which holds itself out as serving patrons of such covered establishment.
(c) Operations affecting commerce; criteria; “commerce” defined

The operations of an establishment affect commerce within the meaning of this subchapter if (1) it is one of the establishments described in paragraph (1) of subsection (b) of this section; (2) in the case of an establishment described in paragraph (2) of subsection (b) of this section, it serves or offers to serve interstate travelers of a substantial portion of the food which it serves, or gasoline or other products which it sells, has moved in commerce; (3) in the case of an establishment described in paragraph (3) of subsection (b) of this section, it customarily presents films, performances, athletic teams, exhibitions, or other sources of entertainment which move in commerce; and (4) in the case of an establishment described in paragraph (4) of subsection (b) of this section, it is physically located within the premises of, or there is physically located within its premises, an establishment the operations of which affect commerce within the meaning of this subsection. For purposes of this section, “commerce” means travel, trade, traffic, commerce, transportation, or communication among the several States, or between the District of Columbia and any State, or between any foreign country or any territory or possession and any State or the District of Columbia, or between points in the same State but through any other State or the District of Columbia or a foreign country.
(d) Support by State action

Discrimination or segregation by an establishment is supported by State action within the meaning of this subchapter if such discrimination or segregation (1) is carried on under color of any law, statute, ordinance, or regulation; or (2) is carried on under color of any custom or usage required or enforced by officials of the State or political subdivision thereof; or (3) is required by action of the State or political subdivision thereof.
(e) Private establishments

The provisions of this subchapter shall not apply to a private club or other establishment not in fact open to the public, except to the extent that the facilities of such establishment are made available to the customers or patrons of an establishment within the scope of subsection (b) of this section.
(Pub. L. 88–352, title II, § 201, July 2, 1964, 78 Stat. 243.)
 
Cowgirl Tuff said:
I would agree that if you are collecting public tax money then you should serve the public.
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That's also true if they are using public services in the course of doing commerce that are paid for by the public, which the vast majority of businesses do. That's why they just can't pick and choose who they serve.
 
Legion Troll said:
Wrong.

(a) Equal access

All persons shall be entitled to the full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, as defined in this section, without discrimination or segregation on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin.
(b) Establishments affecting interstate commerce or supported in their activities by State action as places of public accommodation; lodgings; facilities principally engaged in selling food for consumption on the premises; gasoline stations; places of exhibition or entertainment; other covered establishments. Each of the following establishments which serves the public is a place of public accommodation within the meaning of this subchapter if its operations affect commerce, or if discrimination or segregation by it is supported by State action:
(1) any inn, hotel, motel, or other establishment which provides lodging to transient guests, other than an establishment located within a building which contains not more than five rooms for rent or hire and which is actually occupied by the proprietor of such establishment as his residence;
(2) any restaurant, cafeteria, lunchroom, lunch counter, soda fountain, or other facility principally engaged in selling food for consumption on the premises, including, but not limited to, any such facility located on the premises of any retail establishment; or any gasoline station;
(3) any motion picture house, theater, concert hall, sports arena, stadium or other place of exhibition or entertainment; and
(4) any establishment (A)(i) which is physically located within the premises of any establishment otherwise covered by this subsection, or (ii) within the premises of which is physically located any such covered establishment, and (B) which holds itself out as serving patrons of such covered establishment.
(c) Operations affecting commerce; criteria; “commerce” defined

The operations of an establishment affect commerce within the meaning of this subchapter if (1) it is one of the establishments described in paragraph (1) of subsection (b) of this section; (2) in the case of an establishment described in paragraph (2) of subsection (b) of this section, it serves or offers to serve interstate travelers of a substantial portion of the food which it serves, or gasoline or other products which it sells, has moved in commerce; (3) in the case of an establishment described in paragraph (3) of subsection (b) of this section, it customarily presents films, performances, athletic teams, exhibitions, or other sources of entertainment which move in commerce; and (4) in the case of an establishment described in paragraph (4) of subsection (b) of this section, it is physically located within the premises of, or there is physically located within its premises, an establishment the operations of which affect commerce within the meaning of this subsection. For purposes of this section, “commerce” means travel, trade, traffic, commerce, transportation, or communication among the several States, or between the District of Columbia and any State, or between any foreign country or any territory or possession and any State or the District of Columbia, or between points in the same State but through any other State or the District of Columbia or a foreign country.
(d) Support by State action

Discrimination or segregation by an establishment is supported by State action within the meaning of this subchapter if such discrimination or segregation (1) is carried on under color of any law, statute, ordinance, or regulation; or (2) is carried on under color of any custom or usage required or enforced by officials of the State or political subdivision thereof; or (3) is required by action of the State or political subdivision thereof.
(e) Private establishments

The provisions of this subchapter shall not apply to a private club or other establishment not in fact open to the public, except to the extent that the facilities of such establishment are made available to the customers or patrons of an establishment within the scope of subsection (b) of this section.
(Pub. L. 88–352, title II, § 201, July 2, 1964, 78 Stat. 243.)
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That's what I just said you moron!
 
The fact is, when business owners hang up open signs, whether literally or figuratively, they have a responsibility to treat all customers equally under the law.
 
Cowgirl Tuff said:
I believe that my perspective is the most "American" since it gives both the owner and the customer the right to association or not to associate. If a business only serves one type of people then maybe in that community they will succeed and maybe they won't, but it's the owners choices that will determine that long term success. I think denying service to blacks for racists reasons would ultimately lead to a failed business but it's my choice to either help it by giving them my money or hurt them by going to the business next door that isn't run by a racist
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You should have just told her "I'm a Texan. Of course I'm un-American!" ;)
 
Legion Troll said:
The fact is, when business owners hang up open signs, whether literally or figuratively, they have a responsibility to treat all customers equally under the law.
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I don't believe that a business owner exists to serve the public or to give equal treatment to all customers. They open a business to either do what they love or to make money, or in most cases both. Whether their business choices hurt their business or helps their business are their choices to make as the owner in my opinion
 
Legion Troll said:
The fact is, when business owners hang up open signs, whether literally or figuratively, they have a responsibility to treat all customers equally under the law.
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A public business using public resources does. A purely private business does not. There aren't to many purely private businesses for obvious reasons but if I decide to sell my car in a private transaction I can deny selling it you cause you're a damned troll and there's not a darned thing you can do about it because it's a private transaction and not a public one.
 
Cowgirl Tuff said:
I don't believe that a business owner exists to serve the public or to give equal treatment to all customers. They open a business to either do what they love or to make money, or in most cases both. Whether their business choices hurt their business or helps their business are their choices to make as the owner in my opinion
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Sorry, Norah. Your opinions and beliefs are at odds with the laws of the USA.

Business owners can refuse to serve customers, but denial of service must be based on customer behavior, decorum or the health and safety of patrons and employees.

Failure to observe this standard will most often result in litigation or enforcement action.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
A public business using public resources does. A purely private business does not. There aren't to many purely private businesses for obvious reasons but if I decide to sell my car in a private transaction I can deny selling it you cause you're a damned troll and there's not a darned thing you can do about it because it's a private transaction and not a public one.
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Since you're not in the car selling business, you can be as stupid as you like.

Open a used car lot and try telling a black customer that you "don't sell to niggers" and see what happens.
 
Cowgirl Tuff said:
I don't believe that a business owner exists to serve the public or to give equal treatment to all customers. They open a business to either do what they love or to make money, or in most cases both. Whether their business choices hurt their business or helps their business are their choices to make as the owner in my opinion
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It doesn't matter what you believe, in this particular, because that's the law. BTW...if you open a public business and you don't serve the public well...you probably won't be in business for long. The goal of a public business is to serve the public in a mutually beneficial manner in which the public receives valuable goods and services and in which the business owner(s) earn monetary profits.
 
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