Republican wakes up!

Jarod

Jarod

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At least one Republican has seen the light! Lets see if the legislature overrides the veto.
The NFL has said if the bill passes the Superbowl will not be held in Georgia.


"Georgia is a welcoming state. It is full of loving, kind and generous people. ... I intend to do my part to keep it that way. For that reason I will veto House Bill 757." - Georgia, Gov. Nathan Deal (R)


House Bill 757 would have given faith-based organizations in Georgia the option to deny services and jobs to gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people. Supporters said the measure was meant to protect religious freedom, while opponents have described it as "anti-LGBT" and "appalling."
 
Yet some cons on JPP are defending the Republican gun-free zone at their national convention on the grounds that the private property rights of the arena's owners trump the Constitution?
 
Legion Troll said:
Yet some cons on JPP are defending the Republican gun-free zone at their national convention on the grounds that the private property rights of the arena's owners trump the Constitution?
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If the RNC would indemnify the owners of the Arena, I am willing to bet the owners would allow the guns.
 
Legion Troll said:
Yet some cons on JPP are defending the Republican gun-free zone at their national convention on the grounds that the private property rights of the arena's owners trump the Constitution?
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Your interpretation of the Constitution is cute.

Is it your contention that anyone coming to your house can bring an AK47 even if you don't want them to?

I will understand if you are afraid to answer and just throw out your standard

"Did I say that?" Or some other evasive bullshit. I command you to be evasive. Do it. Be my bitch
 
I believe that a faith based organization should be able to hire whoever they want and also be able to deny services to anybody that goes against their sincerely held beliefs. If a private business based in faith wants to only hire people that share that faith then I am ok with that. Same if a private organization wants to deny service for something that goes against their faith and principles. Likewise if I disagreed with the religious beliefs of an organization I wouldn't try to get a job with them and I wouldn't seek out their services.
 
Cowgirl Tuff said:
I believe that a faith based organization should be able to hire whoever they want and also be able to deny services to anybody that goes against their sincerely held beliefs. If a private business based in faith wants to only hire people that share that faith then I am ok with that. Same if a private organization wants to deny service for something that goes against their faith and principles. Likewise if I disagreed with the religious beliefs of an organization I wouldn't try to get a job with them and I wouldn't seek out their services.
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Do the courts agree that discriminatory treatment by businesses is constitutional if said treatment violates the Constitution?
 
Legion Troll said:
Do the courts agree that discriminatory treatment by businesses is constitutional if said treatment violates the Constitution?
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No they don't agree but in my opinion it's discriminatory to force someone to go against their 1st amendment protected religious beliefs so that someone else doesn't feel discriminated against. Either way someone is being discriminated against or feel discriminated against. The best option then is to allow people to deny service for any reason if it's a private business or faith based organization and if you don't agree then don't do business with them and don't seek employment with them.
 
Cowgirl Tuff said:
No they don't agree but in my opinion it's discriminatory to force someone to go against their 1st amendment protected religious beliefs so that someone else doesn't feel discriminated against. Either way someone is being discriminated against or feel discriminated against. The best option then is to allow people to deny service for any reason if it's a private business or faith based organization and if you don't agree then don't do business with them and don't seek employment with them.
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The courts don't share your feelings, do they, Norah?
 
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They did back when the Dred Scott decision was handed down, though, right?

Do you think the Constitution shouldn't apply to some Americans, if they happen to be gay, black, or Muslim?
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I understand the importance of equality under the law and the constitution but my point is that to discriminate against the religious beliefs of one group by forcing them to do something that violates their religious freedom in order to satisfy another group that feels discriminated against I still an example of unequal treatment. If I was an atheist I wouldn't try to get a job at a Christian organization and then try to force them to conform to my athiest beliefs or lack of beliefs. I'm a Christian, I wouldn't seek out a job with planned parenthood for example or with the freedom from religion organization and I wouldn't expect them to hire me anyway. I'm fine with that.why would I want a job there to begin with? If the freedom from religion organization denied me employment because I'm a Christian id be perfectly fine with that, but then again I wouldn't ever apply for a job with them because they don't share my beliefs, principles, and morals.
 
Cowgirl Tuff said:
I understand the importance of equality under the law and the constitution but my point is that to discriminate against the religious beliefs of one group by forcing them to do something that violates their religious freedom in order to satisfy another group that feels discriminated against I still an example of unequal treatment. If I was an atheist I wouldn't try to get a job at a Christian organization and then try to force them to conform to my athiest beliefs or lack of beliefs. I'm a Christian, I wouldn't seek out a job with planned parenthood for example or with the freedom from religion organization and I wouldn't expect them to hire me anyway. I'm fine with that.why would I want a job there to begin with? If the freedom from religion organization denied me employment because I'm a Christian id be perfectly fine with that, but then again I wouldn't ever apply for a job with them because they don't share my beliefs, principles, and morals.
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If your religious - or other personal beliefs keep you from respecting the constitutional rights of others, perhaps you should not be in business in the USA.

Otherwise, we could see these signs again:

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Legion Troll said:
If your religious - or other personal beliefs keep you from respecting the constitutional rights of others, perhaps you should not be in business in the USA.

Otherwise, we could see these signs again:

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In today's society a business probably wouldn't stay in business very long if they had a sign like that in the door, and if they did have a sign like that I wouldn't want to give my money to them. If someone's lack of belief or if a person of differing beliefs keep them from respecting the religious values of a business owner or faith based organizations then how is that any different? Someone is still being disenfranchised one way or another aren't they?
 
Cowgirl Tuff said:
In today's society a business probably wouldn't stay in business very long if they had a sign like that in the door, and if they did have a sign like that I wouldn't want to give my money to them. If someone's lack of belief or if a person of differing beliefs keep them from respecting the religious values of a business owner or faith based organizations then how is that any different? Someone is still being disenfranchised one way or another aren't they?
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Unfortunately, Norah, in today's America there are businesses that try to discriminate against people illegally, and they flourish in some cases, until the courts enforce the law of the land.

Believing sincerely that black people are subhuman does not give any commercial enterprise in the USA the right to deny service based on race, for example.
 
A business that depends on public roads, sidewalks, police or any other Government service should not be free, and generally is not free to discriminate against someone based on age, sex, race, or sexual orientation.
 
Legion Troll said:
Unfortunately, Norah, in today's America there are businesses that try to discriminate against people illegally, and they flourish in some cases, until the courts enforce the law of the land.

Believing sincerely that black people are subhuman does not give any commercial enterprise in the USA the right to deny service based on race, for example.
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I don't completely disagree but you can't control your skin color, you can control your religious beliefs or lack of. If you are gay for example and you want to force someone to participate in your wedding even though they have the religious freedom and basic freedom to say no then how is that not just a reverse form of religious, or lack of religious, discrimination? Race is a little different in my opinion but the Georgia law centered on religious protections which is what I'm talking about
 
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