Republican wakes up!

Jarod said:
A business that depends on public roads, sidewalks, police or any other Government service should not be free, and generally is not free to discriminate against someone based on age, sex, race, or sexual orientation.
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And likewise a customer shouldn't be able to discriminate against the owners religious beliefs. If the owner says that they don't want to provide a service based on their religious beliefs and their freedom to practice their religion then the customer should have the tolerance to shop elsewhere. You don't have to like it or even agree with it but freedom isn't always going to be a win for you or your demand
 
Cowgirl Tuff said:
And likewise a customer shouldn't be able to discriminate against the owners religious beliefs. If the owner says that they don't want to provide a service based on their religious beliefs and their freedom to practice their religion then the customer should have the tolerance to shop elsewhere. You don't have to like it or even agree with it but freedom isn't always going to be a win for you or your demand
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That's not how our Constitution defines the law, Norah.

Is it?
 
Cowgirl Tuff said:
I don't completely disagree but you can't control your skin color, you can control your religious beliefs or lack of. If you are gay for example and you want to force someone to participate in your wedding even though they have the religious freedom and basic freedom to say no then how is that not just a reverse form of religious, or lack of religious, discrimination? Race is a little different in my opinion but the Georgia law centered on religious protections which is what I'm talking about
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I strongly suspect that if enacted (which is doubtful, since the Governor says he will veto it) the Georgia law will be struck down as unconstitutional as soon as a court hears it, Norah.
 
Some radical Muslims apparently sincerely believe that Allah has commanded them to kill infidels by crashing or bombing commercial aircraft.

Should infidels refuse to fly based on a reasonable expectation that the sincerely-held religious beliefs of a few Muslims are a valid reason to avoid airlines?
 
Cowgirl Tuff said:
And likewise a customer shouldn't be able to discriminate against the owners religious beliefs. If the owner says that they don't want to provide a service based on their religious beliefs and their freedom to practice their religion then the customer should have the tolerance to shop elsewhere. You don't have to like it or even agree with it but freedom isn't always going to be a win for you or your demand
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How is buying a cake discriminating against the owner of the business's Religious beliefs.

Maybe you should look up "discriminate".
 
There has just been a shooting at the US Capitol. Since the building's law-abiding occupants are denied their second amendment rights while on the premises, should they demand the right to equal protection by insisting that they be allowed to provide for their own self-defense - a basic human right?

Remember, when seconds count, the police are minutes away.
 
Legion Troll said:
Why wouldn't the same constitutional protections apply to law-abiding gun owners who sincerely believe their lives are in danger if they are unarmed?
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Owning and possessing are two different things, but it is a reasonable belief that allowing someone in your establishment with a gun will be detrimental to the safety of you and your customers. The owner should be free to make decisions based on that reasonable belief...

Additionally, using Supreme Court logic, those who possess guns are not in a "Suspect Class". Gun possession is a choice much more easily changed than sexual orientation or sex or race.

Someone who believes his/her life is in danger is defined by a belief, not a condition of existence.
 
Jarod said:
Owning and possessing are two different things, but it is a reasonable belief that allowing someone in your establishment with a gun will be detrimental to the safety of you and your customers. The owner should be free to make decisions based on that reasonable belief... Additionally, using Supreme Court logic, those who possess guns are not in a "Suspect Class". Gun possession is a choice much more easily changed than sexual orientation or sex or race. Someone who believes his/her life is in danger is defined by a belief, not a condition of existence.
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Isn't religious belief likewise a choice?
 
Jarod said:
A business that depends on public roads, sidewalks, police or any other Government service should not be free, and generally is not free to discriminate against someone based on age, sex, race, or sexual orientation.
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So much for freedom of association.

Of course I don't recall reading those exceptions in the constitution. Maybe they are hiding behind the word privacy
 
I Love America said:
Of course I don't recall reading those exceptions in the constitution. Maybe they are hiding behind the word privacy
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Check with the Supreme Court and their study as the Authority on the document and how its applied by the government.
 
Cowgirl Tuff said:
I understand the importance of equality under the law and the constitution but my point is that to discriminate against the religious beliefs of one group by forcing them to do something that violates their religious freedom in order to satisfy another group that feels discriminated against I still an example of unequal treatment. If I was an atheist I wouldn't try to get a job at a Christian organization and then try to force them to conform to my athiest beliefs or lack of beliefs. I'm a Christian, I wouldn't seek out a job with planned parenthood for example or with the freedom from religion organization and I wouldn't expect them to hire me anyway. I'm fine with that.why would I want a job there to begin with? If the freedom from religion organization denied me employment because I'm a Christian id be perfectly fine with that, but then again I wouldn't ever apply for a job with them because they don't share my beliefs, principles, and morals.
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Do you think Jesus would support your argument?
I don't.
 
Cowgirl Tuff said:
In today's society a business probably wouldn't stay in business very long if they had a sign like that in the door, and if they did have a sign like that I wouldn't want to give my money to them. If someone's lack of belief or if a person of differing beliefs keep them from respecting the religious values of a business owner or faith based organizations then how is that any different? Someone is still being disenfranchised one way or another aren't they?
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That's the way it's supposed to work but one side endeavors to use the force of government to grant legitimacy to a lifestyle choice.
 
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