BartenderElite
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Earl groans the idea of supporting innocents.
Reminder: Palestinians are not Hamas
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No, that means you are an empty suit.
BartenderElite
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No. It actually doesn't.
A bit o' history
"According to today’s Hamasophiles, Gaza’s leadership is justified in their terror attacks against Israel because “Zionists stole their land.” Before that, the British “stole their land,” which they seem to forget.
Of course, the Brits stole the land from the Ottoman Empire in the first world war. Well, kind of. The sultan decided the region wasn’t populated enough, so he imported Arab Muslims from other regions, such as Yemen and Syria, creating many of today’s “Palestinians.” In other words, Gaza’s ancestors stole it from the Arabs, Jews, and Christians who already lived in the region.
The Ottomans stole it from the Egyptian Mamluks, who inherited it from Egypt’s Ayyubids, who had stolen it from Frankish Crusaders. Those short-lived Christian rulers had stolen it from Fatimid Caliphate, which was preceded by several other caliphates. Which had stolen it from the Byzantine/Roman Empire.
Before that, Rome stole it from the Jews, who stole it from the Greeks, who stole it from the Jews, who were given it by the Neo-Babylonians, who had stolen it from the Assyrians, who had stolen it from the Jews.
People who rely on root causes always stop the historiography the second they discover a group they don’t like. Funny how that works."
- Jon Gabriel, via Ricochet
"According to today’s Hamasophiles, Gaza’s leadership is justified in their terror attacks against Israel because “Zionists stole their land.” Before that, the British “stole their land,” which they seem to forget.
Of course, the Brits stole the land from the Ottoman Empire in the first world war. Well, kind of. The sultan decided the region wasn’t populated enough, so he imported Arab Muslims from other regions, such as Yemen and Syria, creating many of today’s “Palestinians.” In other words, Gaza’s ancestors stole it from the Arabs, Jews, and Christians who already lived in the region.
The Ottomans stole it from the Egyptian Mamluks, who inherited it from Egypt’s Ayyubids, who had stolen it from Frankish Crusaders. Those short-lived Christian rulers had stolen it from Fatimid Caliphate, which was preceded by several other caliphates. Which had stolen it from the Byzantine/Roman Empire.
Before that, Rome stole it from the Jews, who stole it from the Greeks, who stole it from the Jews, who were given it by the Neo-Babylonians, who had stolen it from the Assyrians, who had stolen it from the Jews.
People who rely on root causes always stop the historiography the second they discover a group they don’t like. Funny how that works."
- Jon Gabriel, via Ricochet
T. A. Gardner
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All you did was make some baseless claims pulled out of your ass...
Poll finds dramatic rise in Palestinian support for Hamas
https://apnews.com/article/hamas-middle-east-science-32095d8e1323fc1cad819c34da08fd87
A June 2023 poll conducted by Khalil Shikaki, professor of political science and director of the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research, indicated that 79% of Gazans supported armed opposition to Israeli occupation of Palestinian territory. A Washington Institute poll from July 2023 found that only 57% of Gazans held a “somewhat positive” opinion of Hamas.
https://fortune.com/2023/10/18/ron-desantis-gaza-hamas-antisemitism-israel-blockade-polls/
While support for Hamas has fallen from 2009 to 2023 it is likely that a majority of Gazans still have some degree of support for Hamas. Most of the loss of support has more to do with shitty living conditions in Gaza than anything else.
Poll shows ‘dramatic’ surge in Palestinian support for Hamas after Gaza fighting
Over half of survey respondents say the Islamist terror group is ‘most deserving of representing and leading the Palestinian people,’ versus less than 15% percent who prefer Fatah
https://www.timesofisrael.com/poll-...tinian-support-for-hamas-after-gaza-fighting/
So, while in the period 2014 to 2021, Hamas enjoyed widespread, virtually overwhelming support, that has declined in the last couple of years markedly as fighting increased. Sort of the same thing that happened in Germany between 1940 and 1944 and for the same reasons (winning v. losing).
On the whole, I'd say most Gazan's aren't "innocent" by any measure.
BartenderElite
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Close to 40% of the Gazan population is children.
Oops. I don't think those people are voting, or responding to polls.
Bigdog
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And the adults and parents that voted were kids once, too.
Child soldiers and child human shields are a real thing.
T. A. Gardner
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BartenderElite
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And, Hamas uses children and teens as combatants...
And?
Are you guys really arguing that Gazan children & babies are NOT innocents who are worth protecting?
BartenderElite
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Righties here have to keep moving the goalposts to try to support the incorrect contention that MOST in Gaza are basically Hamas or support Hamas.
T. A. Gardner
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Bigdog
Harris - make America a 3rd world shithole
Historically, children were expected to be men and women at much earlier ages than today's first woild laws dictate.
T. A. Gardner
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I haven't moved the goalposts at all. My assertion here all along is that all Israel needs do is not deliberately target civilians. If they are caught in a firefight and accidently killed, too bad for them. War is hell and that sort of thing happens. If Hamas chooses to fight among civilians and not give them a chance, or helps them, to flee, that's on Hamas far more than Israel. The Israelis did give both warnings and time for civilians to flee before combat started after all...
BartenderElite
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Here is what you moved the goalposts from.
ExpressLane
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Proof that fewer people cheered the massacre of Jews than voted for Hamas in 2006.
And by the way it wasn't just an attack on Israel it was a massacre of innocent babies, elderly, women, and children. Japan attacked the US at Pearl Harbor but they didn't massacre innocent babies, elderly, women, and children.
T. A. Gardner
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Those are questions, not a position I can move the goal posts from you tard.
T. A. Gardner
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That was the Rape of Nanking...
BartenderElite
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Goalpost moves, ad homs & insults.
ExpressLane
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Go help them .
BartenderElite
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So, it's okay to contend that MOST cheered for the Hamas attack on Israel?
Interesting.
I'm basing that on the fact that close to 40% of that population is children. Maybe you should prove that MOST were cheering Hamas, or that MOST voted for Hamas?