Religion on the Left and Right

Dixie said:
Take a moment to think about this... The foundation and principles of Liberalism are all rooted and steeped in fundamentals closely related to Christianity. The humanity, caring, giving, helping the needy... all tenants of Christ's teachings. In fact, Liberals often lament that "Jesus was a Liberal." Almost everything about liberalism, comes directly from the Bible, and the teachings of Jesus Christ, it is found in every liberal argument and every liberal initiative. Health Care... we are supposed to be Christ-like and help the sick... it's the fundamental foundation to everything Liberal. But isn't it odd and bizarre, that Atheists and Agnostics most often are Liberals? At the same time, we are constantly told how evil and greedy the Right is, how they don't care about helping those in need, they are always looking to cut funding for some social program or 'do-good' work the liberals have established.... the diametric opposite of Christ-like behavior! Yet..... most devoutly religious people are Republicans. Isn't that strange?

Why is this the case? Why are most of the non-religious Atheist anti-God crowd, also Liberals... while, the religious zealots and fanatics are mostly Conservatives? It would seem, by the party policies and principles, it should be the other way around. It would make sense if Atheists and Agnostics weren't interested in helping the needy, didn't care if school kids starved, or old people had to eat dog food.... and it would seem that Christians and religious faithful, would be more inclined to want to be Christ-like and benevolent to the needy. It's strange and odd that it's the other way around, don't you think?

Oh now, before you all jump in on this, let me clarify, I am not speaking in absolutes by any means, don't take it that way. I know there are a LOT of religiously faithful people who vote Democrat, and certainly, there are many secular republicans... but in general, the religious tend to stick to the right and the non-religious tend to flock to the left... statistics will bear this out. That said, I thought it would make an interesting thread topic, to explore why there is such a strange conundrum in politics.

My take is this... I think Liberals, many times, will replace their spiritual faith in a God, with faith in Government. In short, Government becomes their God and Liberalism becomes their religion. Religious people already have a God and Religion, so they don't see government in this role. Where Liberals believe Government bestows blessings on the needy, Religious conservatives believe this is God's purpose, not Government.

Still... it is strange and odd that Godless Atheists and Agnostics would flock to a political ideology so closely tied to Christian philosophy.
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Where is the causation?
 
Dixie said:
No, I have PLENTY of charity of soul toward all kinds of people in need, maybe that's why I don't see why Government should assume that role? I don't know of a single person on the right who doesn't think the needy or sick should be helped, they just don't think the GOVERNMENT should do it, and it's something better handled on an individual basis through private charity, religious, and volunteer work.

What have I described inaccurately about Liberalism? Care to explain it to us?
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Then perhaps you need to be a little more honest in your posts because I would guess few if any of your fellow posters see either charity or goodness in anything you show.
 
Return of Dune said:
S.S, Gov. pension, medicare, you get the idea.
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Oh...ok ....I get it......

well, to tell the truth.....SS still owes me a bundle and I probably won't live long enough to get it and I can't even leave whats left to my grandkids...they still take a chunk out of the check to pay for medicare.... I don't get a Gov. pension....and medicare pays so little of the med. bills, I still wing up writing checks to the doctors.....

If I live to be 175, I could get as much as I would have had if I put the money in a pillowcase.....:palm:
 
Lowaicue said:
Then perhaps you need to be a little more honest in your posts because I would guess few if any of your fellow posters see either charity or goodness in anything you show.
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Well I don't come here to help the needy, except to try and educate some pinheads... and I don't come here to brag about what I've done for the needy... so what I do in my personal life doesn't always get posted here. I also don't give to the needy so that you can be impressed with me, so it doesn't bother me if you want to conjure up an image of me that is false. I average volunteering 4-5 hours a week to help at the homeless shelter, and have devoted many a Thanksgiving Day, while most of you were home watching football and spending time with your family. But you believe what you will about me, I understand you have to make me evil to hate me.
 
The Jesus freaks would fuck themselves in the ass with Jesus statues if muslems had as much control of the gov as Christians do.
 
Dixie said:
Well I don't come here to help the needy, except to try and educate some pinheads... and I don't come here to brag about what I've done for the needy... so what I do in my personal life doesn't always get posted here. I also don't give to the needy so that you can be impressed with me, so it doesn't bother me if you want to conjure up an image of me that is false. I average volunteering 4-5 hours a week to help at the homeless shelter, and have devoted many a Thanksgiving Day, while most of you were home watching football and spending time with your family. But you believe what you will about me, I understand you have to make me evil to hate me.
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So one day a year you help prepare meals for people?

Yeah Dix, we don't need the food stamp program any more, thank God.
 
Return of Dune said:
So one day a year you help prepare meals for people?

Yeah Dix, we don't need the food stamp program any more, thank God.
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One day a year I do spend the day preparing meals and feeding the homeless. Perhaps you missed what I said just before that, I spend 4-5 hrs a week helping at the shelter. Let's see... 52 weeks times 4.5 hrs.. is 234 hrs per year... slightly more than a day, but I know your intelligence is too low to comprehend that.

We really DON'T need the Food Stamp program, as your mentor so illustriously pointed out, more people in poverty today than in years... (before they had a Food Stamp program.) So the program has not accomplished what it set out to achieve, it has failed. Before we had the Food Stamp program, we had states proving 'commodities' to the needy and poor, with limited assistance from the government, and people did just fine, no one starved to death. Even before that, the cities and municipalities, in concert with local churches and charity organizations, set up "soup kitchens" to feed the hungry, and again... no one starved to death. You would probably have to go back to Reconstruction to find an actual case of an American citizen dying from malnutrition.
 
Dixie said:
One day a year I do spend the day preparing meals and feeding the homeless. Perhaps you missed what I said just before that, I spend 4-5 hrs a week helping at the shelter. Let's see... 52 weeks times 4.5 hrs.. is 234 hrs per year... slightly more than a day, but I know your intelligence is too low to comprehend that.

We really DON'T need the Food Stamp program, as your mentor so illustriously pointed out, more people in poverty today than in years... (before they had a Food Stamp program.) So the program has not accomplished what it set out to achieve, it has failed. Before we had the Food Stamp program, we had states proving 'commodities' to the needy and poor, with limited assistance from the government, and people did just fine, no one starved to death. Even before that, the cities and municipalities, in concert with local churches and charity organizations, set up "soup kitchens" to feed the hungry, and again... no one starved to death. You would probably have to go back to Reconstruction to find an actual case of an American citizen dying from malnutrition.
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Read and learn Dumbass.
http://www.globalhealthfacts.org/data/topic/map.aspx?ind=48
 
By Madison Park
CNNhealth.com writer/producer


[h=1]Malnutrition killing elderly in U.S.[/h]In a nation where people die from complications of too much food, some die from having too little. Although malnutrition is often thought of as a killer in the developing world, it's also a problem for the elderly in the United States, according to research published in the May issue of the Annals of Epidemiology.
Researchers from Louisiana State University examined data from 3,141 counties and older adult malnutrition mortality using Centers for Disease Control and Prevention data. Between 2,000 and 3,000 older adults die from malnutrition each year, according to CDC data from 2006.
Malnutrition is more prevalent among older adults, especially over the age of 70. They may eat too little, lack nutrition or have digestion problems related to aging. This can stem from certain medications, trouble chewing due to dental issues, problems swallowing or difficulty absorbing nutrients, according to the Mayo

MayoClinic.org: Senior health: How to detect and prevent malnutrition
The rates of malnutrition mortality among older adults vary widely across communities. The communities with higher levels of socioeconomic disadvantage, social isolation and disability are more likely to have higher rates of malnutrition-related deaths, wrote the author, Matthew Lee, a sociology professor at Louisiana State University.
"Communities where adults are living alone and are widowed have higher rates of dying from malnutrition," he said. "When people are embedded in strong social networks, they fare better."
Lee stumbled across statistics about malnutrition deaths in CDC reports.
"I never heard much about elderly mortality related to malnutrition," he said, because "it’s not an extremely common event." The issue may attract little attention because of its demographic, he said. "People get old, they’re expected to pass on and people don’t think much about the causes of it at that point."

http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/02/malnutrition-killing-elderly-in-u-s/
 
Return of Dune said:
Read and learn Dumbass.
http://www.globalhealthfacts.org/data/topic/map.aspx?ind=48
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I have to say, Dixie has amused me, bemused me, frustrated me, and confused me, but this is the first time he has made me ANGRY.

That you can be so smug in your arogant ignorance is disturbing Dixie. People are starving to death in this country you fucking ignorant moron, and it became much worse under your hero BushII.

This is exactly what I meant by you having little charity in your soul. You don't even know how little you have because you ignore the information that would allow you to know what is really happening around you.
 
Return of Dune said:
By Madison Park
CNNhealth.com writer/producer


[h=1]Malnutrition killing elderly in U.S.[/h]In a nation where people die from complications of too much food, some die from having too little. Although malnutrition is often thought of as a killer in the developing world, it's also a problem for the elderly in the United States, according to research published in the May issue of the Annals of Epidemiology.
Researchers from Louisiana State University examined data from 3,141 counties and older adult malnutrition mortality using Centers for Disease Control and Prevention data. Between 2,000 and 3,000 older adults die from malnutrition each year, according to CDC data from 2006.
Malnutrition is more prevalent among older adults, especially over the age of 70. They may eat too little, lack nutrition or have digestion problems related to aging. This can stem from certain medications, trouble chewing due to dental issues, problems swallowing or difficulty absorbing nutrients, according to the Mayo

MayoClinic.org: Senior health: How to detect and prevent malnutrition
The rates of malnutrition mortality among older adults vary widely across communities. The communities with higher levels of socioeconomic disadvantage, social isolation and disability are more likely to have higher rates of malnutrition-related deaths, wrote the author, Matthew Lee, a sociology professor at Louisiana State University.
"Communities where adults are living alone and are widowed have higher rates of dying from malnutrition," he said. "When people are embedded in strong social networks, they fare better."
Lee stumbled across statistics about malnutrition deaths in CDC reports.
"I never heard much about elderly mortality related to malnutrition," he said, because "it’s not an extremely common event." The issue may attract little attention because of its demographic, he said. "People get old, they’re expected to pass on and people don’t think much about the causes of it at that point."

http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/02/malnutrition-killing-elderly-in-u-s/
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"They may eat too little, lack nutrition or have digestion problems related to aging. This can stem from certain medications, trouble chewing due to dental issues, problems swallowing or difficulty absorbing nutrients, according to the Mayo"

Hmmm... still nothing about people dying from no food availability. Guess you're still looking, huh?
 
Return of Dune said:
I have to say, Dixie has amused me, bemused me, frustrated me, and confused me, but this is the first time he has made me ANGRY.

That you can be so smug in your arogant ignorance is disturbing Dixie. People are starving to death in this country you fucking ignorant moron, and it became much worse under your hero BushII.

This is exactly what I meant by you having little charity in your soul. You don't even know how little you have because you ignore the information that would allow you to know what is really happening around you.
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NO ONE IS STARVING TO DEATH IN THIS COUNTRY! GET THAT THROUGH YOUR STUPID LITTLE PINHEAD!

You can't name ONE person who has "starved to death due to lack of food availability" in America, since before WWII... like I said, Reconstruction era.... the last time people DIED in America from hunger! You've thrown up clinical cases of elderly people who can no longer chew or digest food, eventually dying from malnutrition.... that is NOT PEOPLE STARVING TO DEATH DUE TO LACK OF FOOD!!! We could QUADRUPLE the ridiculous amount of resources we now spend on Food Stamps, and those same exact elderly people would STILL have the same exact medical problems and they would STILL DIE! It's intellectually dishonest.... no, it's just an outright ignorant LIE to claim that people are starving to death in America.
 
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