Reality

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

anyone can create a job. One needs not be rich to create a job. I create a job when I hire a plumber to fix the sink. You create a job when you hire the neighbors child to mow your lawn. One does not need to have the wealth of the world at their disposal to create jobs. They also do not need the people that carry the bulk of the work defending them at their own peril.

I create jobs. I have 6 full time employees and i work out of the home. I employ an entire construction team as they are renovating my abode. That is job creation. When i hire the framer to plow the street that is a job I create. When I purchased wood to heat my home this winter it created several jobs. We create jobs everyday if you just look at the scope of what employment means. A person that does not drive and takes public transportation or cabs is helping toward creation of jobs. When you purchase something you are in a sense creating a job. If you were not buying there would be no need to have the store clerk.

I see what you are saying, but think about it for a moment... What does it require for you to 'create' these jobs you are creating? What is the one common determining factor in every single example you listed? They all require the transaction of money. You must have money to 'create jobs' and without money, you aren't going to create many. As consumers, you and I can create lots of jobs, but consumers need money to spend, and close to 20% of them are unemployed at the moment. Now, the same exact principle we've talked about thus far, is also the case with small businesses and corporations, if they have the money, they can create jobs... if they don't, they can't. The more money the government takes from them, or burdens them with the cost of... the less money they have to create jobs, just like you and I, the consumer.

That was an excellent observation.

 

[Rationalist]

I create jobs. I have 6 full time employees and i work out of the home. I employ an entire construction team as they are renovating my abode. That is job creation. When i hire the framer to plow the street that is a job I create. When I purchased wood to heat my home this winter it created several jobs. We create jobs everyday if you just look at the scope of what employment means. A person that does not drive and takes public transportation or cabs is helping toward creation of jobs. When you purchase something you are in a sense creating a job. If you were not buying there would be no need to have the store clerk.

I repeat, poor people do not create jobs. Poor people do not have six employees and hire people to remodel their kitchen. They can't, because they're poor. That's how it works.

If what you are saying is true (which I tend to doubt, judging by your economic illiteracy), you are not poor.

Get it now?

Your absolute bigotry toward those who have tasted success is not only disturbing, it it also contrary to the values of our country. Perhaps somewhere like Cuba or Venezuela would better suit your fancy.

 

[Canceled2]

I repeat, poor people do not create jobs. Poor people do not have six employees and hire people to remodel their kitchen. They can't, because they're poor. That's how it works.

If what you are saying is true (which I tend to doubt, judging by your economic illiteracy), you are not poor.

Get it now?


Your absolute bigotry toward those who have tasted success is not only disturbing, it it also contrary to the values of our country. Perhaps somewhere like Cuba or Venezuela would better suit your fancy.

If you hire a construction crew to remodel your home you are providing work. The creation of the job is because she and others provide work that allows the contractor to hire laborers. So her point is partially made...what point she misses is that if that contractor is so regulated and so taxed that he can see no gilded end for himself...he will not have a 6 man crew but a 3 or 2 man crew...or perhaps he will pay his workers under the table and the government will not see a dime in tax revenues.

 

[Rationalist]

If you hire a construction crew to remodel your home you are providing work. The creation of the job is because she and others provide work that allows the contractor to hire laborers. So her point is partially made...what point she misses is that if that contractor is so regulated and so taxed that he can see no gilded end for himself...he will not have a 6 man crew but a 3 or 2 man crew...or perhaps he will pay his workers under the table and the government will not see a dime in tax revenues.

I agree... my point is that if she is hiring a construction crew, then she is clearly not poor.

 

[Canceled13]

Wow, I'm speechless. Everything you said appears to be straight out of the Communist Manifesto.

No, you have no clue how business works -- that has become rather obvious. People start businesses because they desire to make a profit. Remove that incentive, and there is no reason to start a business. If Bill Gates knew he would have to work his ass off to make the same amount of money as an entry-level software tester, do you think he would have bothered? Fuck no. People innovate because they want to get rich, that's how America works. Love it or leave it!

I must know how to run a business as i have had one for years. I make a living but not at the expense of paying the help that much less than me. Profit is not the only incentive for being in business. All that is green is not god. Maybe someday you will discover that. Money is not the end all. It is the means to accomplish for everyone. Hoarding dollars and paying the help nothing seems to be the way the American system is running these days. That is why your middle class is falling apart. They can no longer hold up the greed at the top. Is he the only businessman that you know of. No people are innovative because they are intelligent and get rich because of that it's not the other way around. Oh I did. Thanks.

 

[Minister of Truth]

Are you in the top 2% of wage earners or in the top 10% for that matter. Why would you go on about protecting them if you are not? They certainly don't care about you and yours. So why do you care so much about that economic groups wage protections? They aren't looking out for you in any way. It must be nice for them to have the poor folks watching out for their well being.

You're right, I'm not them, so fuck them. Fuck all people who are not like me. Fuck America, and its principles of liberty and injustice for all. Fuck the few who are willing to stand up for the rights of other citizens. Fuck the oppressive forces of ownership and stewerdship. Most of all, fuck character and statesmanship.

 

[Rationalist]

You're right, I'm not them, so fuck them. Fuck all people who are not like me. Fuck America, and its principles of liberty and injustice for all. Fuck the few who are willing to stand up for the rights of other citizens. Fuck the oppressive forces of ownership and stewerdship. Most of all, fuck character and statesmanship.

"Thank you" x 10000. Epic post.

 

[Minister of Truth]

I must know how to run a business as i have had one for years. I make a living but not at the expense of paying the help that much less than me. Profit is not the only incentive for being in business. All that is green is not god. Maybe someday you will discover that. Money is not the end all. It is the means to accomplish for everyone. Hoarding dollars and paying the help nothing seems to be the way the American system is running these days. That is why your middle class is falling apart. They can no longer hold up the greed at the top. Is he the only businessman that you know of. No people are innovative because they are intelligent and get rich because of that it's not the other way around. Oh I did. Thanks.

Not true. You could always be paying these people more, offering them greater incentives, and generally taking better care of them. How do you know you're treating them as well as they deserve?

 

[Rationalist]

If I am going to endure the stress associated with running a business, I sure as hell better make more money than my employees. Otherwise, I may as well close down the damn thing and work for someone else! And I do not believe that I would be "screwing over" my employees by making more money. That would be my right as the business owner, and there is nothing "immoral" about that. Tell me, is it also a bad thing that some people are better looking than others, or smarter than average?

 

[Canceled13]

I see what you are saying, but think about it for a moment... What does it require for you to 'create' these jobs you are creating? What is the one common determining factor in every single example you listed? They all require the transaction of money. You must have money to 'create jobs' and without money, you aren't going to create many. As consumers, you and I can create lots of jobs, but consumers need money to spend, and close to 20% of them are unemployed at the moment. Now, the same exact principle we've talked about thus far, is also the case with small businesses and corporations, if they have the money, they can create jobs... if they don't, they can't. The more money the government takes from them, or burdens them with the cost of... the less money they have to create jobs, just like you and I, the consumer.

That was an excellent observation.

I understand what you are saying. I can agree in part. In the modern America it no longer works that way. The rich are getting richer and the middle class is starting to fall way behind. To much is going to the top 10%. There is nothing left for the bottom. The disparity of wealth is to great. If it is the worker struggles to feed and house the family. That is not good. Mortgages go into default and people lose homes by no fault of their own. Poverty is up. The number of poor and working poor is up. The tax cuts to the wealthy is not enough to create more than a few jobs that will actually pay a person something. When you work and the top end is taking 90% of the profit that is made it doesn't leave much for the little people in the business.

We work and so have money to employ or help employ many people. But as the top takes more and more and we are taxed that leaves less and less for us to be able to pay the bills and hire those that we do. In the current world climate it is not the time for the huge profit grabs. Look at your price of gas. The industry decides that they need new cars and boats and a gallon or liter of gas costs more. It gets very tiresome watching the wealthy constantly taking a larger cut and having people who make nothing in comparison defend them. Until people learn that the rich are to rich and the wealthy of the world for the most part don't care about the little people it will continue to go this way. I know that in the US investors and owners run the business. They are in business to make money. If they are taking $500 to each one they give employees who work hard how fair is that system. When a person making say 1M a year is taxed at 50% he or she still have 500000. When a person making 50000 to start with pays even 10% it leaves 45000. That is a huge difference. The wealthy should pay more. They should help more. They have a reaped a larger share of the benefits of the nation.

 

[Canceled2]

Not true. You could always be paying these people more, offering them greater incentives, and generally taking better care of them. How do you know you're treating them as well as they deserve?

I think her employees should unionize and demand from her annual 5-10 % increases in wage and benefits whether they are slothful and dishonest or hard working and good-it is their due right...too fucking bad if her overhead goes up and her profits go down; they have their rights after all and she better not even think of firing them.

 

[Canceled13]

I repeat, poor people do not create jobs. Poor people do not have six employees and hire people to remodel their kitchen. They can't, because they're poor. That's how it works.

If what you are saying is true (which I tend to doubt, judging by your economic illiteracy), you are not poor.

Get it now?

Your absolute bigotry toward those who have tasted success is not only disturbing, it it also contrary to the values of our country. Perhaps somewhere like Cuba or Venezuela would better suit your fancy.

I have no bigotry toward the wealthy. None at all. i just believe that they should pay there fair share.
What truth are you doubting?
Yes poor people do create jobs. They do their part as they spend what they have and that helps to pay employees. You don't understand job creation is a part of all of us.

 

[Canceled13]

If you hire a construction crew to remodel your home you are providing work. The creation of the job is because she and others provide work that allows the contractor to hire laborers. So her point is partially made...what point she misses is that if that contractor is so regulated and so taxed that he can see no gilded end for himself...he will not have a 6 man crew but a 3 or 2 man crew...or perhaps he will pay his workers under the table and the government will not see a dime in tax revenues.

You are partly correct. Owners or in this case the contractor does need to earn a living. But how much more of a living does that person need than the employees? That is the greater question. This person did go into business to make money. what is fair and right that he or she makes 50X the amount of the employees or 10000 X the amount of the employees. There is a point where what is being taken out creates to much disparity and the lower employees even struggle. That is why there is a class of people known as the working poor. They can almost make ends meet while the employers have so much excess that it is wrong. The divide is not working in the US. This is the problem.

 

[Minister of Truth]

What is their "fair share?"
How much is "too much?"
What do those terms even mean?

If I were smart enough, clever enough, determined enough, and creative enough, and willing to take risks and gamble, I would be tempted to go out and become rich, with one of my motivating factors to flash it in the face of the left and tell them how pathetic they are.

 

[Minister of Truth]

Katie, I think the workers deserve to own a portion of your house, seeing as how they did all the work, and you merely profited off of it. Any wealth you acquire off of the value of your house should be siphoned off and transferred to them.

Mi casa es su casa?

 

[Canceled13]

I agree... my point is that if she is hiring a construction crew, then she is clearly not poor.

I have to hire a construction crew. I know zero about fixing anything. I have a job that allows me to afford to hire them. Does being able to hire a worker in my home make me one of the top 10% of wage earners in the world. It does not. My work pays the bills. That is why I am in business. I have my own employees. I pay them as well. Does it make me wealthy because I have a business not really. You are making an assumption about my relative wealth.

 

[Canceled13]

Katie, I think the workers deserve to own a portion of your house, seeing as how they did all the work, and you merely profited off of it. Any wealth you acquire off of the value of your house should be siphoned off and transferred to them.

Mi casa es su casa?

I will never make a dime off my home. Not one dime but that is another discussion. I pay them above the standard wage. If I cheated them you may have a point.

 

[Minister of Truth]

You have more wealth than me. Down with you, landed gentry!!

 

[Rationalist]

I will never make a dime off my home. Not one dime but that is another discussion. I pay them above the standard wage. If I cheated them you may have a point.

What is a "standard wage"? That is very ambiguous. Can your employees also afford to buy their own house and hire a crew to remodel their kitchen?

What kind of business is this, exactly? If you don't mind me asking...

 

[Minister of Truth]

I went to sleep and woke up in the paradise of the USSR. What year is it, anyway???