real racism

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal

I still stand by my original statement.

Translation: 'my mind is closed'.

You need a better translator. As I previously stated, this was a bonehead move which could have been avoided by having the guy come to the school to address any kids interested in what he had to say.

Again, please explain how showing a bunch of black kids a successful black adult functioning the real world is "racism"? What were the "bad intentions"? The "major" legit claim to "racism" being perpetraited on non-black students is that they didn't get to go on a field trip that day. If the intent was to have the black kids get a day off from school to solely goof off, then you might have a stronger case....but that is NOT what happened.
 
You need a better translator. As I previously stated, this was a bonehead move which could have been avoided by having the guy come to the school to address any kids interested in what he had to say.

Again, please explain how showing a bunch of black kids a successful black adult functioning the real world is "racism"? What were the "bad intentions"? The "major" legit claim to "racism" being perpetraited on non-black students is that they didn't get to go on a field trip that day. If the intent was to have the black kids get a day off from school to solely goof off, then you might have a stronger case....but that is NOT what happened.

as i have said, it should have been open to any students and if too many signed up, bring the guy to the school or hire another bus
 
You need a better translator. As I previously stated, this was a bonehead move which could have been avoided by having the guy come to the school to address any kids interested in what he had to say.

Again, please explain how showing a bunch of black kids a successful black adult functioning the real world is "racism"? What were the "bad intentions"? The "major" legit claim to "racism" being perpetraited on non-black students is that they didn't get to go on a field trip that day. If the intent was to have the black kids get a day off from school to solely goof off, then you might have a stronger case....but that is NOT what happened.

They segregated the students based on race. How is that not racism, Libby?
 
looks like an attempt to catch up went awry

they should have taken a representative bunch or given other students a chance to sign up

still an aa group in and of itself is racist

oh well

It's not just an AA group, it was created to help those struggling with academics.

"It was just one of many efforts the district has made to motivate the group, called the Lunch Bunch, a peer-support group to help students struggling academically. The club was created to help improve African-American students' MEAP performance but is open to any student. But currently, only African-American students are members."

http://www.freep.com/article/201005...ws/Elementary-is-in-hot-water-over-field-trip
 
It's not just an AA group, it was created to help those struggling with academics.

"It was just one of many efforts the district has made to motivate the group, called the Lunch Bunch, a peer-support group to help students struggling academically. The club was created to help improve African-American students' MEAP performance but is open to any student. But currently, only African-American students are members."

http://www.freep.com/article/201005...ws/Elementary-is-in-hot-water-over-field-trip



Well, there you have it hombres. Another hilarious rightwing theory gone horribly askew. All the fist pounding and foot stomping, and phony outrage can't change the fact that......

Anyone can join the club.

I mentioned way back, that these types of school clubs are open to anyone to join. You don’t have to be Italian to join the Italian-american club. And you don’t have to be black, to join the “Lunch Club” or whatever this was called. That’s the law you rightwing, crybaby morons. No one stopped any white kids from joining it.

And massive hat tip to Christie for validating this. Outstanding catch, chrsitie.


Thread Executive Summary:

Another whiny, crybaby rightwing faux outrage thread gone horribly awry.

Just how many gallons of tears did our merry band of emotionally distraught, estrogen-overloaded conservative dudes spill over this faux atrocity?

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The mystery is why are republicans routinely so obsessed with cyber-sleuthing for these allegedly horrific (but phony) stories of racial atrocities carried out against whites?

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In other news:


Chances are that, most years the McClancy High School Italian club has a membership that is exculisvely Caucasian – kids who have an ethnic interest, ancestory, or cultural interest in Italy.

I think the chances are close to 100% that in the history of the McClancy High School Italian Club, there have been times that they’ve taken privately funded school field trips comprised of nothing but white students.

Horrific Racism? Or a benign, and well-intentioned school club field trip?

We report, you decide:


McClancy Memorial High School.

Italian Club


“For Field Trips a dinner at an Italian restaurant will be made at least once a year. Trips to museums, Italian art shows, and other places will be dicussed during the meetings. Suggestions for trips are allowed.”

http://www.msgrmcclancy.org/s/264/mcclancy.aspx?sid=264&gid=1&pgid=1005
 
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Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
You need a better translator. As I previously stated, this was a bonehead move which could have been avoided by having the guy come to the school to address any kids interested in what he had to say.

Again, please explain how showing a bunch of black kids a successful black adult functioning the real world is "racism"? What were the "bad intentions"? The "major" legit claim to "racism" being perpetraited on non-black students is that they didn't get to go on a field trip that day. If the intent was to have the black kids get a day off from school to solely goof off, then you might have a stronger case....but that is NOT what happened.

as i have said, it should have been open to any students and if too many signed up, bring the guy to the school or hire another bus

Agreed.
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
You need a better translator. As I previously stated, this was a bonehead move which could have been avoided by having the guy come to the school to address any kids interested in what he had to say.

Again, please explain how showing a bunch of black kids a successful black adult functioning the real world is "racism"? What were the "bad intentions"? The "major" legit claim to "racism" being perpetraited on non-black students is that they didn't get to go on a field trip that day. If the intent was to have the black kids get a day off from school to solely goof off, then you might have a stronger case....but that is NOT what happened.

They segregated the students based on race. How is that not racism, Libby?

Please learn to read....I stated...The "major" legit claim to "racism" being perpetraited on non-black students is that they didn't get to go on a field trip that day. If the intent was to have the black kids get a day off from school to solely goof off, then you might have a stronger case....but that is NOT what happened.[/

As I said before, the prof should have been envited to speak at the school...all students could have been given the option to take time off from classes to attend the lecture or speech.

This was not "racism" in the traditional sense, as the black students were not being given preferential treatment in the educational track per se.
 
Please learn to read....I stated...The "major" legit claim to "racism" being perpetraited on non-black students is that they didn't get to go on a field trip that day. If the intent was to have the black kids get a day off from school to solely goof off, then you might have a stronger case....but that is NOT what happened.[/

As I said before, the prof should have been envited to speak at the school...all students could have been given the option to take time off from classes to attend the lecture or speech.

This was not "racism" in the traditional sense, as the black students were not being given preferential treatment in the educational track per se.

How is segregation not racism? When it benefits blacks?
 
Honestly, I don’t think they allow the KKK to form club chapters in high schools.


Outside of skinheads, teabaggers, and Klansmen, I’ve never actually heard anyone interested in forming a “white club” at any school I’ve been at. Other than fringe right wing bigots, white people overwhelmingly identify with their ethnic group - Irish, Greek, Italian - at an ethnic and cultural level.

Here’s a tip: The ancestors of blacks were kidnapped, and enslaved 400 years ago. You’d be hard pressed to find a black American who can identify which African tribe or nation their cultural roots lie in. Not to mention, blacks were segregated into a monolithic groups in a way whites never were. They didn’t do that to themselves; whitey carved out a monolithic bloc for them to be assigned to.

So, I’m not sure why you and Asshat are so interested in “white clubs” for schools. Seems like a Klan/teabagger thing to me. Most sentient whites understand that this nation already has plenty of “white clubs” which pretty much control everything. The CEO’s of Fortune 500, the US Senate, the Federal Reserve, corporate board rooms. They’re all like 98% white. I don’t think us sentient white people see a dire and pressing need for “white clubs” at high school.

Soooo...they're not actually "white" clubs then are they ?

There are NO whites in the "black Congressional caucus is there"?
There are NO whites in the "black Miss American Contest is there"?
There are NO whites in the "Black Panthers" is there ?
How about the "Black Muslims"...any whites there?
Just asking....



So, I’m not exactly sure why you, Asshat, and various other teabaggers have this burning need and compulsion for white clubs in schools.

There is NO NEED for white clubs in schools...its more the FACT that white clubs are STRICTLY PROHIBITED...BANNED...NOT ALLOWED UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES....see the difference, homey...?

But feel free to talk to people at your work, in your neighborhood, and among your peers about the pressing need to form “white clubs”. Good luck!
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I'll explain it all to you....

Black clubs are OK
Asian clubs are OK
Hispanic clubs are OK
Female clubs are OK
White clubs are racist....
 
Please learn to read....I stated...The "major" legit claim to "racism" being perpetraited on non-black students is that they didn't get to go on a field trip that day. If the intent was to have the black kids get a day off from school to solely goof off, then you might have a stronger case....but that is NOT what happened.[/

The "reason" for special treatment is irrelevant...

As I said before, the prof should have been envited to speak at the school...all students could have been given the option to take time off from classes to attend the lecture or speech.

Agreed...this is exactly what should have been done...





This was not "racism" in the traditional sense, as the black students were not being given preferential treatment in the educational track per se.

It is CLASSIC RACIST BEHAVIOR....and the "reason" is still irrelevant...
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When the state - and that includes public schools - focuses on skin color, or allows groups to form focused on skin color, formulates assistance programs which separates recipients from non-recipients based on skin color, the state is, by definition, promoting racism. It does not matter which race benefits from the preferencial treatment, it is racist at its core. And as long as people see the state using race to differentiate people from one another, how the HELL are they "wrong" to do the same, i preference to their own race? (Again, it DOES NOT MATTER WHAT COLOR!)

The very existence of the "African American club" is racist. No, it does not matter that anyone can join according to the charter. The NAME implies who is and is not actually welcome. A "Caucasian-American" club would be assumed (correctly) to be racist with the same type of implication that non-whites are not welcome no matter WHAT the charter says.

The school was dead fucking WRONG with their actions. There is ZERO justification for it, period. There is no way they can legitimately justify the very existence of a club whose name implies racial-based membership. If their intent is to assist students at risk, then they should have taken each and every student falling in the same academic realm, not just a specific club whose membership has the same skin color as the speaker. They focused on race as a measure of special benefit, and THAT is the very definition of racism.

WHAT do you pea brained clowns think this teaches the children? That separating people according to skin color and treating them differently is ACCEPTABLE! As long as we have porridge brain twits willing to accept and even justify racist attitudes and race-based programs, then any and all racism in society is nothing less than an extension of what YOU ASSHOLES defend as acceptable because it is a "minority" being "helped".

Did it ever occur to you that the attitude that minorities need help JUST because they're minorities is, itself, rampantly racist? If a person needs help, it does not matter their race. They either need help or they do not. Accepting racist attitudes because the INTENT is to "help" some downtrodden minority is being taught as an acceptable practice, which in turn makes focus on race as a means of judging others acceptable, thereby making racism itself, acceptable.

Well, it is NOT acceptable. Only when our entire society actually develops an attitude that NO form of racism is acceptable, only then will we on our way to becoming a nation of true equality.
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Please learn to read....I stated...The "major" legit claim to "racism" being perpetraited on non-black students is that they didn't get to go on a field trip that day. If the intent was to have the black kids get a day off from school to solely goof off, then you might have a stronger case....but that is NOT what happened.[/

The "reason" for special treatment is irrelevant...

Not quite....in a court of law, "intent" is a very pertinent, tangible state which can determine the outcome of a trial (degrees of sentencing) from a misdemeanor to murder. So like I said, the only legitimate claim to "racism" is in the form of non-black students not going on a particular field trip. Since the trip wasn't just to frollick in the park, but an vocational demonstration, the charge itself is a stretch.

As I said before, the prof should have been envited to speak at the school...all students could have been given the option to take time off from classes to attend the lecture or speech.

Agreed...this is exactly what should have been done...

:cool:

This was not "racism" in the traditional sense, as the black students were not being given preferential treatment in the educational track per se.

It is CLASSIC RACIST BEHAVIOR....and the "reason" is still irrelevant...

See my above explanation as to "relevence" of reason (in this case, intent). As for "Classic Racist Behavior".....I assume you're working off your own personal definition of such as opposed to historical racist actions in America. Perhaps you should explain in detail how the black faculty member was "racist" to the non-black students in "classic" behavior.
 
Woah, weird, I was seeing the silhouette of a transcontinental rail line go accross the screen on the History Channel, and then clicked on this thread and saw the train from the Siemens ad! :eek:
 
When the state - and that includes public schools - focuses on skin color, or allows groups to form focused on skin color, formulates assistance programs which separates recipients from non-recipients based on skin color, the state is, by definition, promoting racism. It does not matter which race benefits from the preferencial treatment, it is racist at its core. And as long as people see the state using race to differentiate people from one another, how the HELL are they "wrong" to do the same, i preference to their own race? (Again, it DOES NOT MATTER WHAT COLOR!)

The very existence of the "African American club" is racist. No, it does not matter that anyone can join according to the charter. The NAME implies who is and is not actually welcome. A "Caucasian-American" club would be assumed (correctly) to be racist with the same type of implication that non-whites are not welcome no matter WHAT the charter says.

The school was dead fucking WRONG with their actions. There is ZERO justification for it, period. There is no way they can legitimately justify the very existence of a club whose name implies racial-based membership. If their intent is to assist students at risk, then they should have taken each and every student falling in the same academic realm, not just a specific club whose membership has the same skin color as the speaker. They focused on race as a measure of special benefit, and THAT is the very definition of racism.

WHAT do you pea brained clowns think this teaches the children? That separating people according to skin color and treating them differently is ACCEPTABLE! As long as we have porridge brain twits willing to accept and even justify racist attitudes and race-based programs, then any and all racism in society is nothing less than an extension of what YOU ASSHOLES defend as acceptable because it is a "minority" being "helped".

Did it ever occur to you that the attitude that minorities need help JUST because they're minorities is, itself, rampantly racist? If a person needs help, it does not matter their race. They either need help or they do not. Accepting racist attitudes because the INTENT is to "help" some downtrodden minority is being taught as an acceptable practice, which in turn makes focus on race as a means of judging others acceptable, thereby making racism itself, acceptable.

Well, it is NOT acceptable. Only when our entire society actually develops an attitude that NO form of racism is acceptable, only then will we on our way to becoming a nation of true equality.

From Merriam-Webster's dictionary

Racism

1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 : racial prejudice or discrimination

Prejudice

1 : injury or damage resulting from some judgment or action of another in disregard of one's rights; especially : detriment to one's legal rights or claims
2 a (1) : preconceived judgment or opinion (2) : an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge b : an instance of such judgment or opinion c : an irrational attitude of hostility directed against an individual, a group, a race, or their supposed characteristics

Discrimination

1 a : the act of discriminating b : the process by which two stimuli differing in some aspect are responded to differently
2 : the quality or power of finely distinguishing
3 a : the act, practice, or an instance of discriminating categorically rather than individually b : prejudiced or prejudicial outlook, action, or treatment <racial discrimination>


Please note that NOTHING in these definitions supports your assertion that., "The very existence of the "African American club" is racist."

I use this as a primary example of the erroneous suppositions in your post. Evidently, you have a lot of anger to vent...but given your blantant misunderstanding of basic terms to describe certain social aspects of American society, your rant is misplaced to exaggerate a situation.


As I stated previously, the only legitimate claim to "racism" is in the form of non-black students not going on a particular field trip. Since the trip wasn't just to frollick in the park, but an vocational demonstration, the charge itself is a stretch. At best, the organizer pulled a major bonehead move on this one....he should have just invitied the prof to speak at the school, and arranged that anyone who wanted to attend his address could take time from classes. Kids will just see it as BS time off no matter what the reason or what was actually done. Unfortunately, a lot of parents seem to concur. IMHO, much ado about nothing.
 
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