Ray Lewis loud and wrong on Black Lives Matter, crime

evince said:
cawacko said:
Thanks lr but that's not necessary. It's Desh, it's what she does. The irony is it's almost Trump


go get the time you said to ME that any of these killings were wrong
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Classic narcissism. Textbook.

Desh, you have the whole "prove it" thing wrong, as usual. YOU said that cawacko was "practically giddy" at the deaths of black children. It's really on you to find a post where he expresses that.
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leaningright said:
This is a lie and those who know cawacko know it is. Holy cow.....
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when he talks to me he hates these children and calls them thugs and the like


You shoits do that


you may talk nicey nicey tp each other when I'm not there.



I never see them


GO GET THEM
 
"I hate these children and call them thugs"

Certainly a lot easier to argue/debate/discuss if all you have to do is throw crap out there and ask someone to prove a negative
 
name one recent incident of a black person being killed that you agree involved racism


None of ou fucks would give one remember
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
I did some of my own research from a BLM friendly cite.

They preach black genocide and they're closely allied with the Black Liberation Movement [I get the idea 'BLM' is no coincidence] which is an off shoot of the Black Panther movement. So they're basically a far left outfit with some strange conspiracy theories about black genocide and/or 'white colonizing' of blacks in this country. I didn't waste my time trying to figure out how that works lol.

At any rate, 'black genocide' is the show-stopper, because it puts us right back to where we started. If there is a 'black genocide' going on, it's being done by other blacks and not cops. Or at least, cops are a very minor player, in terms of statistics and numbers.

And hell, you could throw abortion in there too, if you want to talk about 'black genocide'. Ever see black abortion statistics? I would be happy to provide them.

It's the same old same old, with BLM. They want to pin the problem on whites. Which means they're part of the problem and not the solution. And more democrats would be calling them out on it, like Bill Clinton did, but this is an election year and they need the black vote, so there's that.
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Why didn't you research from the actual site?

Major Misconceptions About the Black Lives Matter Movement

1. The movement doesn’t care about black-on-black crime. The idea that black-on-black crime is not a significant political conversation among black people is patently false. In Chicago, long maligned for its high rates of intraracial murder, members of the community created the Violence Interrupters to disrupt violent altercations before they escalate. However, those who insist on talking about black-on-black crime frequently fail to acknowledge that most crime is intraracial. Ninety-three percent of black murder victims are killed by other black people. Eighty-four percent of white murder victims are killed by other white people. The continued focus on black-on-black crime is a diversionary tactic, whose goal is to suggest that black people don’t have the right to be outraged about police violence in vulnerable black communities, because those communities have a crime problem. The Black Lives Matter movement acknowledges the crime problem, but it refuses to locate that crime problem as a problem of black pathology. Black people are not inherently more violent or more prone to crime than other groups. But black people are disproportionately poorer, more likely to be targeted by police and arrested, and more likely to attend poor or failing schools. All of these social indicators place one at greater risk for being either a victim or a perpetrator of violent crime. To reduce violent crime, we must fight to change systems, rather than demonizing people.
 
8. The movement hates white people. The statement “black lives matter” is not an anti-white proposition. Contained within the statement is an unspoken but implied “too,” as in “black lives matter, too,” which suggests that the statement is one of inclusion rather than exclusion. However, those white people who continue to mischaracterize the affirmation of the value of black life as being anti-white are suggesting that in order for white lives to matter, black lives cannot. That is a foundational premise of white supremacy. It is antithetical to what the Black Lives Matter movement stands for, which is the simple proposition that “black lives also matter.” The Black Lives Matter movement demands that the country affirm the value of black life in practical and pragmatic ways, including addressing an increasing racial wealth gap, fixing public schools that are failing, combating issues of housing inequality and gentrification that continue to push people of color out of communities they have lived in for generations, and dismantling the prison industrial complex. None of this is about hatred for white life. It is about acknowledging that the system already treats white lives as if they have more value, as if they are more worthy of protection, safety, education, and a good quality of life than black lives are. This must change.

http://blacklivesmatter.com/11-major-misconceptions-about-the-black-lives-matter-movement/
 
anatta said:
There is no solution for Baltimore. It's my hometown and I loved growing up there in the 60's-etc, but it's a hopeless rat hole now.
After the MLK riots -the city used urban renewal, and there was a real sense of community (black and white) that we are all in this together.
The city went thru a rebirth downtown. Inner Harbor and such as a cure for white flight to the suburbs, and it worked to an extent.

I haven't been in touch since 1999 when I moved to florida, but the desperation of poverty, and the drug violence
has made the city pretty much dysfunctional..
I don't know how to fix it - drug legalization would go along way to reducing crime -
but it looks tome like th residents are as hopeless as ever. It's damn shame.
The city has a long historic background and was really quite lovely back when I was young.

I don't think RAy Lewis knows either what to do. Murders have skyrocketed since Freddie Grey
but they did the same thing before back in the 90's.

If you've ever seen "Homicide -Life on the Streets" that is a very accurate depiction of living in crime infested areas of B-more.
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I never saw "Homicide" but did watch "The Wire." Was that accurate?
 
cawacko said:
One writer is "telling him". BLM didn't come out and make a statement. So we now have two white women in this thread who don't like that Ray Lewis came out and spoke against murder within the black community.
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Look, Ray Lewis can say whatever he wants. I'm not the only person who thinks he's playing fast and loose with the facts. Do the black people contradicting Lewis have the right to do so?
 
christiefan915 said:
Look, Ray Lewis can say whatever he wants. I'm not the only person who thinks he's playing fast and loose with the facts. Do the black people contradicting Lewis have the right to do so?
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Sure they do. And I did not disagree with you about the irony of Lewis taking his position. But is it white privilege to claim Lewis needed to read Steele's column because you didn't agree with him?
 
cawacko said:
Sure they do. And I did not disagree with you about the irony of Lewis taking his position. But is it white privilege to claim Lewis needed to read Steele's column because you didn't agree with him?
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In my mind Ray Lewis is just another in a long line of people who focus on one type of crime only. If we're saying black men in a certain age group commit the most homicides on each other, I agree. And I don't know the answer to preventing anyone from becoming violent, black or white. But that is homicide, not all crime. Table 43 lists 30 different areas of crime and whites own most of them. And when we talk about other criminal behaviour, let's use property crime as an example, nobody ever says we have to try and eliminate that particular "white on white" crime even though whites greatly outnumber blacks in the commission.

Maybe what's obvious in my mind doesn't translate well to the written word. But when people use "black on black" but never "white on white", "Hispanic on Hispanic", "Asian on Asian" etc. to describe crimes, I believe there's an agenda.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
Well, what are the facts lol? The biggest fact has to do with math and statistics. Statistically, even a black gang-banger has a much greater chance at being killed by a fellow black or minority than a cop. The odds of an innocent black dying at the hands of a cop [while being obedient to the cop!] are astronomically small compared to the odds of being killed by another black.

Maybe it would help if BLM changed their name to something else. Because in spite of protestations to the contrary by the group and its sympathizers, it seems apparent to the rest of us that blacks lives matter MOST when they die at the hands of cops.

And the facts support it. Freddy Grey dies at the hands of cops, and Baltimore erupts in flames. Scores of nameless black people die at the hands of other blacks---it's a case dog bites man. That's what Ray Lewis was referring to and he was dead-on.

As I pointed out in another thread, BLM has a serious case of tone-deafness. Furthermore, if democrat leaders like Hillary and Bernie were honest, they would come out and say they don't care for BLM or their tactics.

Bill Clinton came out with it, but he since walked it back.
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Lest we forget that most of these killing occur in predominately democratic ran cities. Many that are ran by black politicians as well.

Cfan an has a problem with statistical data, and so it would seem, common sense.
 
J Craft said:
Lest we forget that most of these killing occur in predominately democratic ran cities. Many that are ran by black politicians as well.

Cfan an has a problem with statistical data, and so it would seem, common sense.
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Look at the statistical data in Table 43 and note who's responsible the greatest number of crimes, poser.
 
christiefan915 said:
In my mind Ray Lewis is just another in a long line of people who focus on one type of crime only. If we're saying black men in a certain age group commit the most homicides on each other, I agree. And I don't know the answer to preventing anyone from becoming violent, black or white. But that is homicide, not all crime. Table 43 lists 30 different areas of crime and whites own most of them. And when we talk about other criminal behaviour, let's use property crime as an example, nobody ever says we have to try and eliminate that particular "white on white" crime even though whites greatly outnumber blacks in the commission.

Maybe what's obvious in my mind doesn't translate well to the written word. But when people use "black on black" but never "white on white", "Hispanic on Hispanic", "Asian on Asian" etc. to describe crimes, I believe there's an agenda.
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With the caveat that almost no one likes any crime, to me murder is the ultimate crime. And with the number one killer of young black men being murder it's going to get more attention than anything else. Now I don't use the term 'black on black crime'. I see it used occasionally when I read Facebook discussions among black friends (when talking to each other) about what's going on in the community and the need for it to stop.

I've seen black friends get harassed by the police. I know how very real it is so I understand the frustration behind #BLM. I've also seen black folks wanting the cops to come into their communities to clear out the drug dealers and criminals. So it's a mixed bag there. I can also understand why non black people would have the thought of 'the number of black males killed by cops is negligible compared to being killed by others so why so much emphasis on the cops' (and yes the cops are expected to protect and serve and thus are different than private citizens). Clearly there are some within the black community who feel the same way.
 
J Craft said:
Lest we forget that most of these killing occur in predominately democratic ran cities. Many that are ran by black politicians as well.

Cfan an has a problem with statistical data, and so it would seem, common sense.
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People always say the bolded, but it's a BS argument.

Poverty in the black community is ultimately founded in discrimination that simply refuses to go away. If you can give me a Dem policy that has actual causality toward the stats we see, you might have some kind of point.
 
Thing1 said:
People always say the bolded, but it's a BS argument.

Poverty in the black community is ultimately founded in discrimination that simply refuses to go away. If you can give me a Dem policy that has actual causality toward the stats we see, you might have some kind of point.
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I've never seen actual cause, just correlation.
 
cawacko said:
With the caveat that almost no one likes any crime, to me murder is the ultimate crime. And with the number one killer of young black men being murder it's going to get more attention than anything else. Now I don't use the term 'black on black crime'. I see it used occasionally when I read Facebook discussions among black friends (when talking to each other) about what's going on in the community and the need for it to stop.

I've seen black friends get harassed by the police. I know how very real it is so I understand the frustration behind #BLM. I've also seen black folks wanting the cops to come into their communities to clear out the drug dealers and criminals. So it's a mixed bag there. I can also understand why non black people would have the thought of 'the number of black males killed by cops is negligible compared to being killed by others so why so much emphasis on the cops' (and yes the cops are expected to protect and serve and thus are different than private citizens). Clearly there are some within the black community who feel the same way.
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I agree with the above but have to ask: how many black on black murders are of young men? I'm trying to dig up an answer to this.
 
christiefan915 said:
I agree with the above but have to ask: how many black on black murders are of young men? I'm trying to dig up an answer to this.
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Off the top of my head most murders and those murdered are younger people so I'd think it would be a large majority of them.
 
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