Raising the Debt Ceiling

Concart said:
The debt ceiling has NOTHING to do with future spending. NOTHING. Again, if you don't understand that, I'd suggest you stop posting so as not to put your entire foot in your mouth.

We are in debt because we have not taxed enough.
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When we need to raise it again, future spending will be the reason. Being able to anticipate future events and their relationship to our current actions is one of the things that distinguishes human from the stupiest animals (like you apparently).
 
Sirthinksalot said:
When we need to raise it again, future spending will be the reason. Being able to anticipate future events and their relationship to our current actions is one of the things that distinguishes human from the stupiest animals (like you apparently).
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Why then didn't Trump veto any of the massive spending during his administration???????
 
Sirthinksalot said:
When we need to raise it again, future spending will be the reason. Being able to anticipate future events and their relationship to our current actions is one of the things that distinguishes human from the stupiest animals (like you apparently).
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We are not talking about raising it again. We are talking about raising it NOW before we default and run the economy off the cliff. You get that, right?
 
Concart said:
We are not talking about raising it again. We are talking about raising it NOW before we default and run the economy off the cliff. You get that, right?
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Your myopic view is sad. How many times have we raised the debt ceiling in this past without addressing the reason we keep needing to raise it? Why will this time be any different? How many times should we raise it without addressing the cause? How many times can we?
 
Sirthinksalot said:
Your myopic view is sad. How many times have we raised the debt ceiling in this past without addressing the reason we keep needing to raise it? Why will this time be any different? How many times should we raise it without addressing the cause? How many times can we?
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So you are in favor of NOT paying the bills we incurred? Is that your position?

If you want to cut spending, then cut spending when the budget is being debated. Are Republicans incapable of that? Is their only intellectual argument hostage taking?
 
Concart said:
We are not talking about raising it again. We are talking about raising it NOW before we default and run the economy off the cliff. You get that, right?
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What’s the point of even having a “debt ceiling “? We never pay any attention to it anyway, other than to raise it as usual/always.
 
anonymoose said:
What’s the point of even having a “debt ceiling “? We never pay any attention to it anyway, other than to raise it as usual/always.
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There is no point. But we're stuck with it. So we have no choice. It should be much simpler. Pay what you owe. But in today's environment, simple is not an option.
 
This is not a serious topic that should even be engaged. It is for really dumb people, aka GOP supporters.


You do not address spending after you have voted to spend the money and it is spent, by then saying 'should we pay the bill'. You pay the bill by adjusting the debt ceiling to cover the money you already spent and agreed to spend when you voted for it.

If you want to ensure no future debt ceiling raises are needed than you match future budgets to revenues.

What we know for fact, is that if Trump or another GOP POTUS gets in next the same people now pushing to not raise the debt ceiling will applaud it being raised under a GOP admin. What they want is to stop Dem's from running the credit cards so that they have more room to do so, when they get back in.

Even as the GOP argues to not raise the debt ceiling they also argue for cuts in revenue that will just add more debt. They are not serious people and we need to not treat them as such.
 
Sirthinksalot said:
Gotta love this type of nonsensical non-answer. Who says he wasn't concerned, sweet tits? I didn't like Trump's excessive spending, many conservatives didn't. Your argument is stupid and invalid.
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Hahahahahahahahahajahah


No you didn’t

Your whole party cheered the tax cuts for the wealthy
 
NiftyNiblick said:
When any branch of government is turned over to the republicans, the nation is going to suffer one way or another.
It's the price that we pay for tolerating the GOP.

The shoeless and toothless constituents who elected the pachy assholes from their shithole districts are this nation's fifth column.
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They are the dupes of Fox and right wing radio
 
Lionfish said:
On Thursday, the U.S. government officially hit the $31.4 trillion debt ceiling.

Translation: The government is cut off and no longer able to pay its bills without taking extraordinary measures.

“The United States runs a budget deficit, which means it doesn’t generate enough money from taxes and other revenue sources to fully fund its operations. In order to fund those operations, the US issues debt to continue to provide services to its citizens and fund expenses. So what does this mean? Lawmakers have a few months to reach an agreement before the U.S. defaults entirely. Some are pushing for an increase to the debt ceiling, others think the U.S. needs to reign in its spending. NEVER HAPPEN WITH SENILE JOE SPENDING LIKE A DRUNKEN SAILOR.

The endless borrowing will collapse the dollar. If our representatives can't control their own spending, then controlling their ability to borrow is absolutely necessary. So, why did they spend $7 Trillion last year while taking in only $4 Trillion?

turn all undocumented refugees away for starters we have no money to support them. Cut military spending push for a peace deal in Ukraine and forget this student loan forgiveness for starters.

The Gov. doesn't collect enough funds to cover the expenses for its operations, so it either cuts the runaway spending or go back to printing, should we put it to a vote?
cancel all the porkbarrel projects they passed to get votes, roll congress salary BACK, and stop supporting idle people. I read on your web only 40% of people pay taxes.

Working for a living is for losers with our current gov't.

We don't have a revenue problem...Congress has a spending problem...Congress is creating this abyss...if we start paying down our $31 Trillion debt $100 Billion per year and incur no new debt, the debt will be paid off in 310 years....sorry folks...we are bankrupt, we are just too stupid to know it...
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A debt ceiling is a dumb idea


No one does it anymore
 
Lionfish said:
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It’s idiotic to compare the two


Nations don’t die


People die


If you never died you would be much more willing to lend yourself money and would need to spend more on your future needs is the same thing to do



America is NOT DESIGNED to die


So spending on long term ideas like the health of your inhabitants in the future (Healthcare) and things like long term infrastructure that will save money for generations


You want to pretend America Is about to die



It’s clear you want it to fail
 
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