Raise The Minimum Wage!

Superfreak said:
The price will certainly adjust based on other factors, but a wage increase will increase the costs even further than if you did not have the wage increase. That is basic.
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Then why aren't Big Mac's $10?

McDonald's has gone through SEVERAL government mandated minimum wage increases through the years, yet the big Mac is still less than $2.
 
Dixie said:
You asked if increasing it would increase the cost of living, and I answered. Then I asked you to explain how it wouldn't, by telling me where the money for the increase would come... you respond with an irrelevant fact about the cost of living increasing anyway. Why are you running from the point of the argument? Why aren't you answering the question?
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It's as you stated...the cost of living increases, so the price of goods and services goes up as well, meaning the company has MORE MONEY to pay it's employees.
 
Yurt said:
wow...you are truly ignorant. every single time MW increases, so do prices. that is not to say that prices do not increase without a MW increase, it is simply pointing the the FACT that every single time MW increases, so do basic necessity prices.
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Then all you've shown is that correlation doesn't imply causation.
 
Yurt said:
how so? i have personally witnessed every single price hike ever single time MW goes up. and so have you. you just want to bury your head in the sand.
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That's such a blanket statement. What prices went up, food, clothing, cars, appliances, electronics? Every item in every category? How can I even research on such a vague claim?
 
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Originally Posted by Superfreak
that is incorrect Dune. They are not going to sit by and watch as those with no skill get a raise while they get nothing. They are going to demand compensation increases as well. It happens every fucking time liberals try to hammer the poor with minimum wage increases. It is yet another way liberals keep the poor in their place.




Really? Funny that I have never had an employer offer me a raise because minimum wage increased. What a colosal crock of bullshit.
 
Rune said:
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Originally Posted by Superfreak
that is incorrect Dune. They are not going to sit by and watch as those with no skill get a raise while they get nothing. They are going to demand compensation increases as well. It happens every fucking time liberals try to hammer the poor with minimum wage increases. It is yet another way liberals keep the poor in their place.




Really? Funny that I have never had an employer offer me a raise because minimum wage increased. What a colosal crock of bullshit.
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actually dunetard....i've seen it happen with family members time and time again. just because you have a lousy job doesn't mean it doesn't happen elsewhere.
 
christiefan915 said:
That's such a blanket statement. What prices went up, food, clothing, cars, appliances, electronics? Every item in every category? How can I even research on such a vague claim?
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milk, bread....other such necessities. every single time. i remember distinctly when i was 18 and the MW went up and how excited i was. a few weeks later, i was bitterly disappointed when the cost of necessities went up. and, i watched it happen all through college, even when i made it past MW.

to be honest though, i haven't paid attention to it for several years now as the MW doesn't really effect me that much. to deny that MW has no effect on costs is to be utterly clueless regarding the economy.
 
Rune said:
Originally Posted by Dixie
I haven't worked in the unskilled labor market for a while now.. about 35 years or so... but when I did, I remember minimum wage increases, and I recall it was customary to get a pay increase when they raised the minimum wage. It might not be as much as the minimum wage was increased, but sometimes it was. I can't ever recall it being raised, and not getting an increase. I think most decent companies give pay increases to their unskilled labor, whenever the minimum wage is increased. It makes sense, because if they didn't, they would eventually be paying minimum wage, and they want to pay slightly better, to attract better employees.

You see.... with minimum wage employees, you can't expect too much. They arrive late or call in sick... they don't want to wear a tie or smile at the customers... things that a business might really want them to do in the job, so the business pays a little more than minimum wage, because they expect more. Whenever the minimum wage increases, those jobs increase their pay rates as well. Once we get into the mid to upper level management positions, the pay increase is less frequent, because these people are already making much more, and it's insignificant. However, some companies will carry this all the way up, and everyone gets a pay increase. You've just bumped everything up a notch... things cost a few pennies more... people make a few pennies more... it hasn't changed anything or fixed any problem.

Bullshit.
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No, it's not bullshit. I explained it to you quite succinctly. You have ZERO rebuttal, that's why you cried "bullshit!"

Here... I can prove it... HOW LONG have we had the minimum wage? Has there EVER been a time when liberal democrats felt it was adequate? Was there EVER a time when the minimum wage was sufficient and addressed the problems it was intended to address? We've had it and have been raising it for over 40 years, and we're not getting anywhere... people are still poor... people still make minimum wage and struggle. The problem isn't being solved with your solution.
 
Dixie said:
You see.... with minimum wage employees, you can't expect too much. They arrive late or call in sick... they don't want to wear a tie or smile at the customers...
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Wow...What in the world has made you such a judgemental, bigoted and hateful person, Dicksee? You have such a pitiful low regard for those lesser than what you perceive yourself to be. What a pig!

Dixie said:
Because business does not hire people based on profits.

Some companies do set records with profits every year. Some companies go bankrupt, every year.

We actually WANT companies to set record profits, it means people are spending money and paying sales taxes. If they are spending money, it is most likely because they have money, because they have a thing called a job, and a source of income. If they have a source of income, they probably pay income taxes. So, it is a GOOD thing when corporations are setting record profits, I wish they ALL could set record profits every day!
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So why do we give these businesses tax credits, subsidies and other incentives? Seems like companies are doing hunky dory all on their own. L

Yurt said:
wow...you are truly ignorant. every single time MW increases, so do prices.
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One final question...

If that's the case then why are state after state after state introducing legislation to tie the minimum wage to inflation???
 
Howey said:
Wow...What in the world has made you such a judgemental, bigoted and hateful person, Dicksee? You have such a pitiful low regard for those lesser than what you perceive yourself to be. What a pig!
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Not sure what you read that made you think I was judgmental, bigoted or hateful, I am merely speaking the truth. It has nothing to do with my regard for people, they are who they are, I accept that. And not everyone fits the same mold, I didn't mean to make that implication. I have hired minimum wage workers, and I have been a minimum wage worker, and generally speaking, you can't expect too much, that's why you're paying them MINIMUM wage.

So why do we give these businesses tax credits, subsidies and other incentives? Seems like companies are doing hunky dory all on their own.
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Well we don't give all businesses tax credits, subsidies and other incentives. And some businesses do well while others fail, read what I posted again, you'll find where I pointed that out. Most conservatives generally aren't in favor of spending tax dollars on anything like that, it's generally a liberal democrat idea at the core. Most all politicians are in favor of doing things to help business, because like I said, when business is setting record profits, things are good, they are thriving. There can be all kinds of reasons why we decide to give them tax breaks or incentives, credits, etc. Usually, it's because there is some problem we are trying to fix. Now we can get all pissy after the fact, after Democrats and Republicans debated the issue in Congress and passed whatever incentive, subsidy, or credit... and we can pretend that ALL incentives, subsidies, and credits for business are BAD and EVIL, and only to help line the pockets of the wealthy... or whatever... but the Congress discussed it and decided, for whatever reason, the perk in question might be the remedy for some problem.... and that is the reason it exists.

For instance, we give tax incentives the oil companies to drill for oil in less-attractive places, because we wish to protect the environment. We might give an industry a tax credit for reducing pollution, or for installing energy-efficient equipment, or we subsidize a farmer so he can grow a certain thing we need, or not grow something we don't need... the list goes on an on, there are a million various reasons we give businesses incentives, but the one reason that never seems to pass Congress, is simply to line the pockets of the rich CEOs... that reason never seems to fly with Congress, Republican or Democrat. You can continue to BELIEVE that, I can't stop you, but the fact is, that is simply not the truth.
 
Howey said:
I know someone who started working for a company over two years ago. At that time, minimum wage was, I believe $7.50 per hour. Today he makes $7.75 per hour.

New hires at the same company now start off at $8.00 per hour. He did not receive a commensurate raise when they were hired and won't so the argument that all employees get a raise along with a minimum wage increase is moot.

Can someone answer this question? With some companies setting record profits, why aren't they hiring more people?
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Why doesn't he quit and apply as a new hire?
 
Howey said:
Another question. How high do prices go up when middle and executive level employees get a raise?
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Well since all of the middle and executive level employees, across the nation don't get raises at the same time, like ALL minimum wage earners would; your presentation is a strawman and is only worthy of being labeled as a MAJOR FAILURE. :D
 
Superfreak said:
LMAO... yeah, it has nothing to do with the higher costs of wages. Nothing.
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A Big Mac sold for .49 cents in 1968 and the minimum wage was $1.60 @ hr.
Now a Big Mac sells for $3.29 and the minimum wage is $7.25 @ hr.

What this means that the minimum wage increase of 4.53% caused the Big Mac cost to increase by 6.71%.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
A Big Mac sold for .49 cents in 1968 and the minimum wage was $1.60 @ hr.
Now a Big Mac sells for $3.29 and the minimum wage is $7.25 @ hr.

What this means that the minimum wage increase of 4.53% caused the Big Mac cost to increase by 6.71%.
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You need a new calculator. Your math is way off.
 
Howey said:
You need a new calculator. Your math is way off.
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Well, let's make it simpler. You used to be able to buy a Big Mac for less than 1/3 an hour's wages at minimum wage. Now it is nearly half of the hour's wages. Most of this is because cost of business increase. Was it all due to the minimum wage? No. Was some of it due to that? Yes. It also would be due to inflation, gasoline (delivery prices), etc.

Now, just to tell you.. I don't know of one McDonald's that pays minimum... My brother is a general manager of one they pay more than minimum even to new hires.
 
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