Rachel Maddow shines some light on the GOP/Paul Ryan's bogus budget proposal

Darla said:
Aww quoting Sarah Palin how cute.
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well, i guess if it makes you feel better about yourself to make stupid allusions to my statements.....what the hell. i'm all about making people feel better about themselves.

Darla said:
BTW i saw your thread about that guy they threw off the plane for being a man...that's one down...
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one down, as in another low life pedophile wannabe with male genitalia because you hate men? or one down that isn't a gun thread?
 
SmarterthanYou said:
well, i guess if it makes you feel better about yourself to make stupid allusions to my statements.....what the hell. i'm all about making people feel better about themselves.

one down, as in another low life pedophile wannabe with male genitalia because you hate men? or one down that isn't a gun thread?
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Um, yeah.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Not really. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery and MSNBC decided to imitate Fox News, making them the defacto liberal propaganda channel. Meaning anything learned from MSNBC is as suspect as anything learned from Fox. Neither is a credible source of information. They're telling a constituency what they want to hear.
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They deal in factual information...Faux doesn't...they do real interviews...Faux doesn't...I can't speak for all of MSNBC but Laurence, Rachael and Ed do a good job...unlike FOX so, no I don't agree with your assessment that there is nothing that can be learned on any MSM. It's there. Did you have a problem with the video?
 
Haiku said:
They deal in factual information...Faux doesn't...they do real interviews...Faux doesn't...I can't speak for all of MSNBC but Laurence, Rachael and Ed do a good job...unlike FOX so, no I don't agree with your assessment that there is nothing that can be learned on any MSM. It's there. Did you have a problem with the video?
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No disrespect Haiku but this just made me laugh. If people are so partisan that they can't take a step back and recognize Fox leans to the right and MSNBC leans to the left then I don't know what to say. Of course if one leans to the right they probably believe Hannity, O'Reilly and others tell the truth and the liberals on MSNBC all lie because the peopleon Fox are telling them what they want to hear/agree with and vice versa with Maddow et al on MSNBC.

Because one is a partisan doesn't mean they can't be accurate on (some) issues but like Mott said they aren't going to have much credibility.
 
cawacko said:
No disrespect Haiku but this just made me laugh. If people are so partisan that they can't take a step back and recognize Fox leans to the right and MSNBC leans to the left then I don't know what to say. Of course if one leans to the right they probably believe Hannity, O'Reilly and others tell the truth and the liberals on MSNBC all lie because the peopleon Fox are telling them what they want to hear/agree with and vice versa with Maddow et al on MSNBC.

Because one is a partisan doesn't mean they can't be accurate on (some) issues but like Mott said they aren't going to have much credibility.
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Nope, sorry. There's a difference between bias and propaganda. Fox News is propaganda. MSNBC is most definitely biased. Bias doesn't stoop to deception and lying, but propaganda will.

See if you can comprise a list of lies MSNBC has told.

Fox has told so many there's a whole website devoted to it.

And here's a Fox News 'watchdog' site.
 
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Bijou said:
Nope, sorry. There's a difference between bias and propaganda. Fox News is propaganda. MSNBC is most definitely biased. Bias doesn't stoop to deception and lying, but propaganda will.

See if you can comprise a list of lies MSNBC has told.

Fox has told so many there's a whole website devoted to it.
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:rofl2:
 
Bijou said:
Nope, sorry. There's a difference between bias and propaganda. Fox News is propaganda. MSNBC is most definitely biased. Bias doesn't stoop to deception and lying, but propaganda will.

See if you can comprise a list of lies MSNBC has told.

Fox has told so many there's a whole website devoted to it.

And here's a Fox News 'watchdog' site.
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For my education what would an example of MSNBC's bias look like? I'm curious in comparison to the sites you just posted.
 
cawacko said:
For my education what would an example of MSNBC's bias look like? I'm curious in comparison to the sites you just posted.
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MSNBC definitely leans left, at least their commentators do. Of course, it's still a corporate network, so the bottom line is that it will protect its corporate interests above all. So - do you have a list of lies MSNBC news has told?
 
Bijou said:
MSNBC definitely leans left, at least their commentators do. Of course, it's still a corporate network, so the bottom line is that it will protect its corporate interests above all. So - do you have a list of lies MSNBC news has told?
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I guess I could google msnbc lies and see what comes up but I really don't care. I don't watch Fox News or MSNBC so I have no vested interest in either station nor have any desire to try and defend either station. I see people get into these discussions which are basically battles over the two networks and then react as if a family member has been harmed if one says something bad about the others staion. If you want to talk USC-UCLA then yes I will get passionate. Fox News and MSNBC don't do it for me.
 
cawacko said:
I guess I could google msnbc lies and see what comes up but I really don't care. I don't watch Fox News or MSNBC so I have no vested interest in either station nor have any desire to try and defend either station. I see people get into these discussions which are basically battles over the two networks and then react as if a family member has been harmed if one says something bad about the others staion. If you want to talk USC-UCLA then yes I will get passionate. Fox News and MSNBC don't do it for me.
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They don't do it for me, either. However, to equate the integrity of the two is ludicrous.
 
cawacko said:
No disrespect Haiku but this just made me laugh. If people are so partisan that they can't take a step back and recognize Fox leans to the right and MSNBC leans to the left then I don't know what to say. Of course if one leans to the right they probably believe Hannity, O'Reilly and others tell the truth and the liberals on MSNBC all lie because the peopleon Fox are telling them what they want to hear/agree with and vice versa with Maddow et al on MSNBC.

Because one is a partisan doesn't mean they can't be accurate on (some) issues but like Mott said they aren't going to have much credibility.
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You caused me to giggle...I'm not talking about leaning, I'm talking about facts, not on some things on most. Disagree completely. Maybe you can provide some facts to back up your assertion that they're equal. I don't do false equivalence. If you can show me that the shows I mentioned make up facts like Faux news does then I'll have learned something. Anytime it is pointed out that they have been incorrect in something they correct it on the air.
 
Althea said:
Funny how they never offer specifics?

I saw another segment comparing/contrasting Ryan's plan to kill Medicare, with the future of Medicare under Obamacare.

In essence, seniors still get to keep their free screenings, and other current coverages under Obamacare, but lose all of them in exchange for a voucher under Ryan.
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if obamacare is repealed, then all seniors lose the free screenings

under ryan's medicare plan, people age 54 or less will not get medicare as it currently exists, but a voucher plan that may or may not (mostly not) cover future seniors medical needs

please notice that mittens is strangely quiet about any specifics about differences between his medical coverage plans or his budget plans and how they would differ from pr's, in fact mittens only talks in glowing generalities about most of his policies

mittens said that he absolutely supported the person hood bill sponsored by pr in the house that would declare an embryo a person, thereby banning all abortions (even spontaneous), morning after pills, iuds and all forms of hormonal birth control

also, mittens said that he supported pr's budget plan as written and voted on in the house

oh well
 
Bijou said:
You think they're on equal footing with Fox's credibility? That's way cuter.
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There was a time when I'd have thought they had some credibility, but they've given it up long ago. Fox now has more than they...

I watch them both, but seriously... MSDNC long ago gave up the last vestige of credibility.
 
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