Questions for the serious conservatives

Superfreak said:
I don't think there is a 'true conservatism' in the sense that everyone has a different idea of what that entails. Ayn, like many others on both sides, has some good ideas and some that are a bit out there. Keep in mind I say this based on my perception of where she is. Obviously the further to the left a persons ideology lies, the more 'insane/crazy' Ayn will 'appear'.

A true conservative to me with regards to politics is one that focuses on fiscal responsibility and limited government (again, this is a highly subjective phrase).
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I would say that a conservative is a person who has a vested interest in maintaining the status quo, whether that be socially or economically.
 
Superfreak said:
why don't you also link us up to your research showing conservatives/Reps 'denied' the effects of smoking and used scare tactics on flouridated water.
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Some of the irrational positions the left have on vaccines come to mind. I think your point is valid. When someone has to choose between changing a cherished view based upon the discovery of new facts or data it is the new facts and data, more often than not, that goes out the window.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Some of the irrational positions the left have on vaccines come to mind. I think your point is valid. When someone has to choose between changing a cherished view based upon the discovery of new facts or data it is the new facts and data, more often than not, that goes out the window.
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precisely... the more a person has vocalized and championed a view... the harder it is for them to change.
 
SuperstringTheory said:
Evolution? Stem Cells? When's the last time a Democrat candidate for POTUS said that vaccines cause Dixieitis (aka "mental retardation")? And you are wrong on climate change too. The denial on the effects of smoking were maintained well after the science was clear? The scares concerning fluoridated water?

The left occassionally latches on to some strain of nonsense but it is usually short lived.
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I think that currently there is more of an anti-intellectual/anti-science constituency in the Republican party and that explains why the majority of credentialed scientist currently vote Democratic but in the broader sense SF is right about both being anti-science just simply from the stand point that the vast majority of Americans are illiterate in science. Only around 5% of Americans are literate in science beyond the High School level.
 
Ayn Rand, in my opinion, was as bitter, hateful and devoid of compassion as a person can be. Her views could only be described as an attack on human conscience.

I don't, however, consider her a conservative.
 
SuperstringTheory said:
Yes, to the part in bold. She opposed the entitlement mentality. I don't recall her berating the poor on assistance programs. Most of her venom was directed at the crony capitalists and poverty pimps demanding that they had some right to government support.

The funny thing is, is she only needed help because of her pig headed/conservative like denial of science concerning the effects of smoking.
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But in the end she wound up on public type assistance. Socialist stuff.
 
Rand was a writer.....nothing more, nothing less....she wrote about what she was familiar with, (Russia under Lenin) Communism and an all powerful state.......
born and educated in Russia, witnessed the Revolution of 1917 and the October Revolution and life under Lenin...her familys pharmacy was confiscated by the state,
and they had to flee their home.
She witnessed life and suffered under one of the most brutal idiots to rule Russia.....and came to the US in 1925 at the age of 20.....
An atheist, read French, German and Russian, opposed socialism, state-ism and collectivism, supported rational and ethical egoism, limited government, capitalism, and
individual rights......
She supported abortion rights, opposed the Vietnam War and the military draft , supported Israel in the Arab-Israeli War of 1973 as "civilized men fighting savages"...
Probably closer to Democrats of the '70's than they care to admit....
I 'd conclude she was a better American than most of the pinhead haters on this site that only seek to ridicule and belittle her superior intellect
and novels that portray her less than pleasant life experiences growing up...
 
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uscitizen too said:
But in the end she wound up on public type assistance. Socialist stuff.
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The left's inclination to destroy people through character assassination is truly epic....

The Truth:
"Ayn Rand died on March 6, 1982, in her New York City apartment, of heart failure. She was buried in Kensico Cemetery in Valhalla, N.Y., next to her husband Frank O’Connor (who died in 1979)."
As to her being alone and miserable, Leonard Peikoff described her final hours in a talk at Boston's Ford Hall Forum.


"Ayn Rand did NOT die “alone and bitter.” I know, I was among her best friends at the end of her life. She was working on a screenplay for Atlas Shrugged, until she got very ill (heart disease) and died 6 weeks later. She planned to produce the movie herself and move to Hollywood to get it done (she lived at 120 E. 34th St. in NYC). She held the same philosophy up to the end, and had the same love of life as the fictional heroes she created."

Comment by Harry Binswanger — November 7, 2011 @ 7:56 pm
 
Which Puke are You?

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uscitizen too said:
So she was a mess, why the hero worship by many on the right?
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Of course shes not like the kind of women the left and Democrats admire....women like Margret Sanger who said,
On blacks, immigrants and indigents:
"...human weeds,' 'reckless breeders,' 'spawning... human beings who never should have been born." .... Margaret Sanger, Pivot of Civilization, referring to immigrants and poor people.
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“…Now, I have to tell you that it was a great privilege when I was told that I would receive this award. I admire Margaret Sanger enormously, her courage, her tenacity, her vision…."
Quote from Hillary Clinton.

No .... Rand was not your kind of 'hero'....Sanger is.....
 
bravo said:
The left's inclination to destroy people through character assassination is truly epic....

The Truth:
"Ayn Rand died on March 6, 1982, in her New York City apartment, of heart failure. She was buried in Kensico Cemetery in Valhalla, N.Y., next to her husband Frank O’Connor (who died in 1979)."
As to her being alone and miserable, Leonard Peikoff described her final hours in a talk at Boston's Ford Hall Forum.


"Ayn Rand did NOT die “alone and bitter.” I know, I was among her best friends at the end of her life. She was working on a screenplay for Atlas Shrugged, until she got very ill (heart disease) and died 6 weeks later. She planned to produce the movie herself and move to Hollywood to get it done (she lived at 120 E. 34th St. in NYC). She held the same philosophy up to the end, and had the same love of life as the fictional heroes she created."

Comment by Harry Binswanger — November 7, 2011 @ 7:56 pm
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Did I say she died alone and bitter?
I said she went on the "dole" before she died, betraying her beliefs.
 
bravo said:
Of course shes not like the kind of women the left and Democrats admire....women like Margret Sanger who said,
On blacks, immigrants and indigents:
"...human weeds,' 'reckless breeders,' 'spawning... human beings who never should have been born." .... Margaret Sanger, Pivot of Civilization, referring to immigrants and poor people.
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“…Now, I have to tell you that it was a great privilege when I was told that I would receive this award. I admire Margaret Sanger enormously, her courage, her tenacity, her vision…."
Quote from Hillary Clinton.

No .... Rand was not your kind of 'hero'....Sanger is.....
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HUH? Who is Sanger?

And I have no heroes.
I do not worship anyone or anything.

You suffer from absolutist thinking, a victim of your right wing brain structure.

although I could worship something like this for a night or two.

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