Question for the mask experts

BartenderElite said:
Where did I say that I look down on dentists?

I just don't look to them to solve a pandemic.
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They weren’t trying to solve a pandemic and they didn’t care if Donald Trump was right lol.

The focused strictly on masks and didn’t have to factor in a bunch of elusive variables like how the public would handle them during a pandemic.

And they concluded masks didn’t matter. Do you have a problem with their methodology?
 
Walt said:
Studies show the reverse. If you impede airflow, it causes your lungs to work harder. The lungs overshoot, causing slightly lower CO2. Either way, it is not a significant amount.

Omar has got to stop giving bad medical advice.



They thought that you were right, which is why they tried exercise masks. These exercise masks were supposed to increase CO2 in the blood, and cause Olympic level athletes to train in the equivalent of high altitude. It does not work.

And I cannot think of anything more strenuous than training for the Olympics. Certainly shopping for groceries do not even begin to compare.
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Causes the lungs to ‘over shoot’ lol?

How does that work? I’m avid mountain biker and I’m interested to know how I can get my lungs to ‘overshoot’? That could be handy for climbing hills.
 
Walt said:
Our attempt to fight Covid-19 is being hampered by some of the dumbest people on Earth, like Teflon here. Is this stupidity just an act, or is Teflon really this stupid? It is hard to tell.
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Insult fallacy. Nothing prevents your immune system from fighting Covid-19. Masks do not stop viruses.
Walt said:
Masks do not hold in CO2.
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In effect, they do, since they change the partial pressures in the air you breath.
Walt said:
CO2 does trap in heat from sunlight,
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It is not possible to trap heat.
Walt said:
but skin keeps the sunlight from hitting the air in our lungs, so no overheating.
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Irrelevance fallacy.
Walt said:
I could go on and on, but it suffices to say nothing Teflon has said has any resemblance to reality.
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Buzzword fallacy. Define 'real'.
 
Walt said:
Studies show the reverse.
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No, they don't.
Walt said:
If you impede airflow, it causes your lungs to work harder. The lungs overshoot, causing slightly lower CO2. Either way, it is not a significant amount.
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Lungs don't 'overshoot'. Buzzword fallacy.
Walt said:
Omar has got to stop giving bad medical advice.
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No medical advice was mentioned. You are hallucinating.
Walt said:
They thought that you were right, which is why they tried exercise masks. These exercise masks were supposed to increase CO2 in the blood, and cause Olympic level athletes to train in the equivalent of high altitude. It does not work.
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Because O2 is reduced too.
Walt said:
And I cannot think of anything more strenuous than training for the Olympics. Certainly shopping for groceries do not even begin to compare.
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I can. Certain jobs, for instance.
 
There is a breathing trick to getting maximum expansion out of your lungs. But let’s see if Walt can impress us with his vast knowledge of very nearly everything lol.
 
Into the Night said:
It is not possible to trap heat.
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I am remembering this argument by Night. He is now claiming that insulation is impossible, according to his physics. Do not wear a coat in the winter, do not insulate your house, do not anything, because Night knows better.

This is just embarrassing.
 
Walt said:
I am remembering this argument by Night. He is now claiming that insulation is impossible, according to his physics. Do not wear a coat in the winter, do not insulate your house, do not anything, because Night knows better.

This is just embarrassing.
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Night is on his own with that but he’s basically right about masks.
 
Walt said:
There is an open question about how well masks work, but there is no question that Night is wrong about them not working.
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Literature reviews have confirmed that wearing a mask during surgery has no impact whatsoever on wound infection rates during clean surgery. 22,23,24,25,26 A recent 2014 report states categorically that no clinical trials have ever shown that wearing a mask prevents contamination of surgical sites. 26 With their original purpose being highly questionable it should be no surprise that the ability of face masks to act as respiratory protective devices is now the subject of intense scrutiny. 27 Appreciating the reasons for this, requires an understanding of the structure, fit and filtering capacity of face masks.

The Inadequacies

Between 2004 and 2016 at least a dozen research or review articles have been published on the inadequacies of face masks. 5,6,11,17,19,20,21,25,26,27,28,31 All agree that the poor facial fit and limited filtration characteristics of face masks make them unable to prevent the wearer inhaling airborne particles. In their well-referenced 2011 article on respiratory protection for healthcare workers, Drs. Harriman and Brosseau conclude that, “facemasks will not protect against the inhalation of aerosols.” 11 Following their 2015 literature review, Dr. Zhou and colleagues stated, “There is a lack of substantiated evidence to support claims that facemasks protect either patient or surgeon from infectious contamination.” 25 In the same year Dr. R. MacIntyre noted that randomized controlled trials of facemasks failed to prove their efficacy. 5 In August 2016 responding to a question on the protection from facemasks the Canadian Centre for Occupational Health and Safety replied:

https://www.oralhealthgroup.com/features/face-masks-dont-work-revealing-review/
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The article looks at the efficacy of face masks in the clinical setting and finds them wanting. So any study which purports to taut their efficacy in a public setting is going to be suspect, because of the human element: how they are handled by lay people and etc.

Basically, masks in a pandemic are a feel-good measure and our ‘experts’ are either ignorant of the literature or they’re just thinking it can’t hurt, the public seems to think they work, so why not? Even Fauci waffled on them early on—before it became politicized.
 
Darth Omar said:
They weren’t trying to solve a pandemic and they didn’t care if Donald Trump was right lol.

The focused strictly on masks and didn’t have to factor in a bunch of elusive variables like how the public would handle them during a pandemic.

And they concluded masks didn’t matter. Do you have a problem with their methodology?
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The mask debate is over. You lost.
 
Walt said:
Then America loses along with you. Meanwhile Taiwan, South Korea, New Zealand, Australia, Japan, China, and slowly most of Europe are winning.
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I am not losing anything. I have told you a million times. I don't care if you die from coronavirus, flu, heart attack, BLM protester. Your life means nothing to me. Can't you get that through your thick head?

Why do you think you should matter to me? What have you personally done for me?
 
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