Putin humiliated as Ukraine claims 409ft frigate 'sunk by missile'

[gemini104104]

This probably desecrates tRump's lawlessly hacked mission and the mission of the repuke party of foreign enemies from the gutter to betray America and the free world in favor the external enemies and the enemy from within.

 

[moon]

There was definitely a Kingdom of Israel up until 720BC, when it was destroyed by the Assyrians. Many of the elites from Israel escaped to Judah, bringing their writings, and traditions with them. This has led to desire for Judean to return to Israel, which also soon meant a return to Judah as The Kingdom of Judah was also destroyed.



Jews have a strong genetic link to Canaanite burials 6,000 years ago. It is clear that Jews come from that area, and have been there for 6,000 years.

That being said, there has been a lot of competition for that land, and there are a lot of historical claims. It is divided between the Israelis and Palestinians now, so it would just do more harm to move everyone around again.

I suggest that you're parroting the Hebrew bible , Walt.
It's irrelevant anyway- as there was no legal entity of ' Israel ' until 1948. Even then, the territory previously ascribed as ' Jewish ' in 1947 by the UN was conditional upon its indigenous population of Arabs having the same rights as Jews. A half -decent legal mind could demonstrate that the current squatters have not even met the conditions of ' Israel's' legal recognition.

The world knows that the Neo-Zionist fascists occupy Palestine purely by force of arms. This is not a permanent state.

 

[moon]

We need to put the word NUKE on it and let Putin know we have them too and not to be getting too cocky.

Snap, crackle and pop.


Haw, haw................................haw.

 

[Walt]

I suggest that you're parroting the Hebrew bible , Walt.

The Hebrew Bible does not mention DNA. It is a provable fact that Jews have Canaanite DNA. The Jews have been in that area for 6,000 years.

It's irrelevant anyway- as there was no legal entity of ' Israel ' until 1948.

If you questioned the involvement of Jews in the Kingdom of Israel, you might have an argument. Historians and archaeologists question the existence of the United Kingdom of Israel, so maybe the Kingdom of Israel and the Kingdom of Judah were never unified.

But instead, you question the existence of the Kingdom of Israel. It is recorded as having existed from many different sources. The Kingdom of Judah is proven to have existed from many more sources. It is an absolute fact that Jews were living around Jerusalem for a long time. Whether they were ever united with the Israelites to the north is uncertain.

Neo-Zionist

Zionism is a modern movement. Why place "Neo-" before it? Do you understand what "Neo-" means?

This is not a permanent state.

Israel has existed as a country for 74 years. People have based their whole lives around it. That makes it permanent. Even decades before it was a country, it had many of the services of a government.

 

[cancel2 2022]

This probably desecrates tRump's lawlessly hacked mission and the mission of the repuke party of foreign enemies from the gutter to betray America and the free world in favor the external enemies and the enemy from within.

Truly insane!

 

[moon]

The Hebrew Bible does not mention DNA. It is a provable fact that Jews have Canaanite DNA. The Jews have been in that area for 6,000 years.

Palestinians, Walt. Palestinians have occupied Palestine since the neolithic era. ' Jewishness ' is an ethnicity, an ethnicity among Palestinians.

If you questioned the involvement of Jews in the Kingdom of Israel, you might have an argument. Historians and archaeologists question the existence of the United Kingdom of Israel, so maybe the Kingdom of Israel and the Kingdom of Judah were never unified.

But instead, you question the existence of the Kingdom of Israel. It is recorded as having existed from many different sources. The Kingdom of Judah is proven to have existed from many more sources. It is an absolute fact that Jews were living around Jerusalem for a long time. Whether they were ever united with the Israelites to the north is uncertain.

Jews have written their own history, Walt. You are parroting the Hebrew bible. It really doesn't matter though as modern international law trumps all the myths and spurious biblical editing over millennia. Israel has legally existed since 1948- and was given permission to exist in 1947, thanks to the collapse of the British empire. No amount of parchment-waving nor bullying can alter those facts- so please don't bore me with any further effort.

Zionism is a modern movement. Why place "Neo-" before it? Do you understand what "Neo-" means?

Now you're just being silly.

Israel has existed as a country for 74 years. People have based their whole lives around it. That makes it permanent. Even decades before it was a country, it had many of the services of a government.

Nothing is permanent, Walt, not even the British empire which enabled a Jewish homeland. Palestine had a flourishing society until the British fucked it up.

 

[Matt Dillon]

Really did not. They all existed about 3,000 years ago (assuming they did exist). If we use the Bibles as history: Saul was the first King of Israel, but never entered Jerusalem, and was not involved with Judah. David, who was from Judah, and did become King of Israel, but again not in Jerusalem. He would have captured Jerusalem from Jebusites(not Jews) early on in his reign. Then he and his son Solomon would have been Kings of a Unified Kingdom of Israel from the city of Jerusalem. Then Solomon's son Rehoboam took over and everything collapsed. The Kingdom of Israel broke away from the Kingdom of Judah, leaving the Jews in Judah with Jerusalem.

So if we believe the Biblical history, 3,000 years ago there was about 70 years of Jewish leadership of the Kingdom of Israel, followed by over a thousand years of Judah/Judea in various kingdoms and provinces. That history is a bit problematic, but is also very possible.



Sort of. Abraham would have lived 4,000 years ago, and would have been the founder of Canaanites. That would have included Jews, but also several other groups in the area. Israel and Judah would have come about a thousand years later.

What about Joshua?

 

[Walt]

Palestinians, Walt. Palestinians have occupied Palestine since the neolithic era.

Wrong. Palestine came from Philistia, where the where the Egyptians settled the Sea People known as the Philistines around the time of Bronze Age Collapse(1200BC-ish). The Philistines spoke an Indo-European language, so could not have come from the area. They were later assimilated into the Jews, and the country and culture ceased to exist around 600 BC. After the Bar Kokhba Revolt in 136, the Romans decided to wipe Judea off the map, and replace it with a province named after Philistia.

The Palestinians would be the people who lived in the Roman Province, but that would be 136AD and later, hardly Neolithic. If they have any relationship with the Philistines, who existed before that, it would have to be through the Jews. Possibly Jews converted to first Christianity, then Islam, and are now Palestinians. Part of that Jewish ancestry could be Philistines. But even the Philistines only go back to the late Bronze Age, not the Neolithic Age.

The Jews have definitely been connected to the Canaanites, through both DNA and culture, so would go back to the Early Bronze Age, and probably much earlier.

Jews have written their own history, Walt.

Romans also wrote the Jewish History, as did Egyptians and other cultures. Before the Babylonian Exile, records are sparse, but after that, records are good enough that we know the major players.

Palestine had a flourishing society until the British fucked it up.

The Ottoman Empire did not let Palestine flourish, or be free. There was definitely an independent Kingdom of Judea. There was only a province called Palestine.

 

[Matt Dillon]

Wrong. Palestine came from Philistia, where the where the Egyptians settled the Sea People known as the Philistines around the time of Bronze Age Collapse(1200BC-ish). The Philistines spoke an Indo-European language, so could not have come from the area. They were later assimilated into the Jews, and the country and culture ceased to exist around 600 BC. After the Bar Kokhba Revolt in 136, the Romans decided to wipe Judea off the map, and replace it with a province named after Philistia.

The Palestinians would be the people who lived in the Roman Province, but that would be 136AD and later, hardly Neolithic. If they have any relationship with the Philistines, who existed before that, it would have to be through the Jews. Possibly Jews converted to first Christianity, then Islam, and are now Palestinians. Part of that Jewish ancestry could be Philistines. But even the Philistines only go back to the late Bronze Age, not the Neolithic Age.

The Jews have definitely been connected to the Canaanites, through both DNA and culture, so would go back to the Early Bronze Age, and probably much earlier.



Romans also wrote the Jewish History, as did Egyptians and other cultures. Before the Babylonian Exile, records are sparse, but after that, records are good enough that we know the major players.



The Ottoman Empire did not let Palestine flourish, or be free. There was definitely an independent Kingdom of Judea. There was only a province called Palestine.

Oh my, I have to agree with Walt on something.

 

[moon]

Oh my, I have to agree with Walt on something.

You really aren't following the thread- you're just cheer-leading.

 

[Matt Dillon]

You really aren't following the thread- you're just cheer-leading.

 

[moon]

Wrong. Palestine came from Philistia, .

No- the term ' Palestine ' has nothing to do with Philistines. It's a generic term for the region comprising the prefix ' pale ' , meaning ' old ' with ' stein ', meaning ' stone ' It simply means ' ancient land '.

Again, Palestine has been occupied since the neolithic era ( you know what ' neo ' means, do you Walt ? ) and produced many tribes which, over time, developed differing religions, Judaism being just one of them. Same people, different routes, Walt- as evidenced by DNA. The SAME, Walt. There are no genes for religions. There are no genes for Christianity, none for Buddhism, none for Islam and none for Judaism. You are laboring under a common deceit.

 

[martin]

How many Russian navy ships are now dive sites? 2 This should go over well on Russia's May 9th celebration.

You're being unkind, picking on poor little Russia trying its best against big bad Ukraine.

 

[ExpressLane]

You're being unkind, picking on poor little Russia trying its best against big bad Ukraine.

But they do make very interesting dive sights. The fish love eating the eyeballs out of Russian sailors.

 

[moon]

But they do make very interesting dive sights. The fish love eating the eyeballs out of Russian sailors.

There's no doubt about it- you are one demented sicko.

 

[Walt]

What about Joshua?

Joshua and Moses come from the darkest of the Greek Dark Ages after the Bronze Age Collapse. Their "history" was written down 700 years later. The archeology does not seem to show the Exodus.

But something definitely happened around that time to create Israel. Coming out of the Greek Dark Ages, Israel definitely existed. Whether it was ever connected to Judah is another question. It may have only been connected by Israelite elites carry myths into Judah after Israel's collapse.

A lot of archaeologists are pushing the theory that the Exodus did not happen as written. We know the Egyptians had conquered Canaan, and were occupying forts there. It would have made no sense to escape Egypt in that direction. And there is no proof of an influx of people. There is proof of the Canaanites pushing the Egyptian forts out during the Bronze Age Collapse. So the theory being pushed now is that it was not an exodus so much as a driving out of the occupying force.

 

[Walt]

What about Joshua?

Joshua and Moses come from the darkest of the Greek Dark Ages after the Bronze Age Collapse. Their "history" was written down 700 years later. The archeology does not seem to show the Exodus.

But something definitely happened around that time to create Israel. Coming out of the Greek Dark Ages, Israel definitely existed. Whether it was ever connected to Judah is another question. It may have only been connected by Israelite elites carry myths into Judah after Israel's collapse.

A lot of archaeologists are pushing the theory that the Exodus did not happen as written. We know the Egyptians had conquered Canaan, and were occupying forts there. It would have made no sense to escape Egypt in that direction. And there is no proof of an influx of people. There is proof of the Canaanites pushing the Egyptian forts out during the Bronze Age Collapse. So the theory being pushed now is that it was not an exodus so much as a driving out of the occupying force.

 

[Walt]

No- the term ' Palestine ' has nothing to do with Philistines. It's a generic term for the region comprising the prefix ' pale ' , meaning ' old ' with ' stein ', meaning ' stone ' It simply means ' ancient land '.

There is no way that term would go back to the Neolithic Era. Paleo is a Greek prefix. Greek did not form until the late Bronze Age, and even Proto-Indo-European did not form until the early Bronze Age. Proto-Indo-European formed in the Caspian Steppes, so a good distance from the region.

Stein is even more problematic, in that it is German. Germans are by definition an Iron Age culture, and were also quite a distance from Canaan.

Throughout the Bronze Age, the region was known as Canaan. At the very end of the Bronze Age, with the introduction of the Sea People into the area around what we call today the Gaza Strip, we start seeing the first references to Philistia/Palestine.

We cannot know for sure what they called Canaan before the Bronze Age, but there does seem to be genetic, and cultural continuity at the beginning of the Bronze Age, so it may have still been called Canaan.

Again, Palestine has been occupied since the neolithic era ( you know what ' neo ' means, do you Walt ? )

Neolithic Era is a name modern people gave it based on Greek. No one in the Neolithic Era would have recognized it. Through the Bronze Age the area was called Canaan, not Palestine. The region was occupied ever since man migrated out of Sub-Sahara Africa. The region has had settlements since the Mesolithic Era. Recent archaeology has discovered that settlements predate agriculture.

We call the Mesolithic Era culture the Natufian Culture, but because they did not have writing, we cannot know their name.

produced many tribes which, over time, developed differing religions, Judaism being just one of them.

The Canaanite Culture produced many tribes after the Bronze Age Collapse, but they more seemed to have coalesced into one religion. Baal the fertility god was removed, as was Yahweh's goddess wife Asherah. Very similar temples were built from Judah, through Israel, and up to nearly Turkey.

As we progress towards the time of Jesus, the Jews assimilated most of the other descendants of the Canaanites, who by this time had very similar religions. An obvious exception would be the Samaritans(named after the capital of Israel), or as they call themselves: The Israelites. They still use the Paleo-Hebrew of the Israelites, so I am willing to agree they are probably descendent from the Israelites.

There are no genes for religions.

Religions that do not proselytize would be linked to genetics. You teach your children to be in that religion.

 

[Walt]

Oh my, I have to agree with Walt on something.

There is a lot of things in the early Hebrew Bible that are questionable, but the existence of Judah and Israel are not.

You can go to Rome and actually see the Arch of Titus which has actual depictions of Jewish culture that Titus had attempted to destroy in 71AD. Judea absolutely existed at the time. Hundreds of years before that we have Babylonians, Greeks, and Egyptians confirming that the Jews existed.

 

[moon]

There is no way that term would go back to the Neolithic Era.

Don't be silly, Walt- it isn't a neolithic prefix.

You know, there's a member here who believes in Jewish cavemen. You guys should realize that these old texts are simply contemporary propaganda- added to over history.

Throughout the Bronze Age, the region was known as Canaan. At the very end of the Bronze Age, with the introduction of the Sea People into the area around what we call today the Gaza Strip, we start seeing the first references to Philistia/Palestine.


We cannot know for sure what they called Canaan before the Bronze Age, but there does seem to be genetic, and cultural continuity at the beginning of the Bronze Age, so it may have still been called Canaan.



Neolithic Era is a name modern people gave it based on Greek. No one in the Neolithic Era would have recognized it. Through the Bronze Age the area was called Canaan, not Palestine. The region was occupied ever since man migrated out of Sub-Sahara Africa. The region has had settlements since the Mesolithic Era. Recent archaeology has discovered that settlements predate agriculture.

We call the Mesolithic Era culture the Natufian Culture, but because they did not have writing, we cannot know their name.



The Canaanite Culture produced many tribes after the Bronze Age Collapse, but they more seemed to have coalesced into one religion. Baal the fertility god was removed, as was Yahweh's goddess wife Asherah. Very similar temples were built from Judah, through Israel, and up to nearly Turkey.

As we progress towards the time of Jesus, the Jews assimilated most of the other descendants of the Canaanites, who by this time had very similar religions. An obvious exception would be the Samaritans(named after the capital of Israel), or as they call themselves: The Israelites. They still use the Paleo-Hebrew of the Israelites, so I am willing to agree they are probably descendent from the Israelites.



Religions that do not proselytize would be linked to genetics. You teach your children to be in that religion.

You shouldn't swallow this stuff whole, Walt- particularly as it is wholly irrelevant to the status of the region of Palestine known as ' Israel ' today. The Israelis, European Zionists mostly, fabricate all sorts of nonsense, even manufactured ' artifacts '- to try to strengthen a claim to territory that they do not have. As I said- Palestinians have occupied Palestine since the neolithic era.