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Vietnam
Iraq
AfPak
Libya
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^ all the above are at least in part about "spreading democracy". Biden isn't going to go to war for that.

But with Blinken in Sec of Stae, he can easily get sucked into a war of
"responsibility to protect" / the new neocon mantra started by M. Albright
we did not go to war with libya. what the fuck are you talking about? we put no soldiers in combat in Libya...what are you talking about? and talk to Ike about vietnam....he is the one who told our south vietnamese puppet military dictator to call off the re-unification election because he knew Ho Chi Minh and the more populous North would win and Ho would become the leader of the country, and he was a communist.
 
who was president, stupid? how many repubs in congress did not vote for the resolution, along with a majority of democrats? there was nothing WRONG WITH THE RESOLUTION!!!! it made Saddam realize there were consequences for not allowing inspectors in, and it kept Bush and Cheney from acting on their intent to invade on lies for a little while...BUT LIKE KERRY AND CLINTON AND OTHER DEMOCRATS WHO VOTED FOR THE RESOLUTION THAT SHOULD HAVE AVOIDED THE INVASION SAID-

BUSH AND CHENEY WOULD NOT TAKE YES FOR AN ANSWER!! THEY INVADED ANYWAY ON TRUMPED UP BULLSHIT LIES ABOUT WMDS AND TIES TO AL QAEDA.
ill let you apportion out the percentages of guilt. again this is all well traveled ground

The point is a Congressional Resolution was an authorization.
Pretending Saddam realized "consequences" has no meaning

When the Resolution was written we ALL understood -short of a miraculous change by Saddam -
we were going to invade. Yankee Doodle
 
who's minimizing? I'm presenting the whole picture
Have I ever defended Rumsfeld et all?

This is about attempted whitewashing of Dem culpability as well

Culpability?

They were lied to.

Stupid for believing them? YES.

Teabaggers called everyone communist for not supporting Bush and his regime.

People got fired from their jobs because they spoke out against the war.

You're blaming the victim, instead of the culprit.

Darn, something another idiot has done for the past 5 years.
 
we did not go to war with libya. what the fuck are you talking about? we put no soldiers in combat in Libya...what are you talking about? and talk to Ike about vietnam....he is the one who told our south vietnamese puppet military dictator to call off the re-unification election because he knew Ho Chi Minh and the more populous North would win and Ho would become the leader of the country, and he was a communist.
ROFL.. Oh I get it now ! this is your attempt to do what Obama did and call it "Kinetic Military Action"
and avoid the War Powers Act (briefing to Congress)..meaning an air war is not really a war :rofl2::rofl2::rofl2:
 
Almost down to the last man/woman/whatever the foreign policy elite either supported this calamity or refused to speak in objection.

And of course the journalists were worse than useless.

I posted this earlier...can you not read or remember, dumbass?

United States House of Representatives
Party Ayes Nays Not
Voting
Republican 215 6 2
Democratic 81 126 1
Independent 0 1 0
TOTALS 296 133 3

Senate-

United States Senate
Party Yeas Nays
Republican 48 1
Democratic 29 21
Independent 0 1
TOTALS 77 23

total of democratic votes FOR RESOLUTION- 110
total of democratic votes AGAINST- 147
 
Need more information, like which post# would that be, 'cause I can't find it.
i dont do back digging.

The moving finger writes; and, having writ, moves on: nor all thy piety nor wit shall lure it back to cancel half a line,
nor all thy tears wash out a word of it.
-- Omar Khayyam
 
I posted this earlier...can you not read or remember, dumbass?

United States House of Representatives
Party Ayes Nays Not
Voting
Republican 215 6 2
Democratic 81 126 1
Independent 0 1 0
TOTALS 296 133 3

Senate-

United States Senate
Party Yeas Nays
Republican 48 1
Democratic 29 21
Independent 0 1
TOTALS 77 23

total of democratic votes FOR RESOLUTION- 110
total of democratic votes AGAINST- 147

Congress are not remotely foreign policy elites, in fact most of them dont know very much about anything, dumb ass.
 
ill let you apportion out the percentages of guilt. again this is all well traveled ground

The point is a Congressional Resolution was an authorization.
Pretending Saddam realized "consequences" has no meaning

When the Resolution was written we ALL understood -short of a miraculous change by Saddam -
we were going to invade. Yankee Doodle

No, what clinton and kerry said when voting, reluctantly, for the resolution proved they thought it was a way to stop bush's plan to invade, by giving saddam a chance to prove he was not dangerous...dumbass liar...here is what she said on the senate floor when she voted for the resolution-

The evidence is clear. On Oct. 10, 2002, during the Senate debate on a resolution to authorize the use of force in Iraq, Clinton rose to express her highly qualified support. First, though, she criticized the idea of attacking Saddam then and there, either alone or “with any allies we can muster.” Such a course, she said, “is fraught with danger,” in part because “it would set a precedent that could come back to haunt us,” legitimizing invasions that Russia might launch against Georgia, India against Pakistan, or China against Taiwan.

“So,” she continued, “the question is, how do we do our best to both diffuse the threat Saddam Hussein poses to his people, the region, including Israel, and the United States—and, at the same time, work to maximize our international support and strengthen the United Nations.”

She went on to say that there was “no perfect approach to this thorny dilemma” and that “people of good faith and high intelligence can reach diametrically opposing conclusions.” But, she concluded, “I believe the best course is to go to the United Nations for a strong resolution” that calls “for complete, unlimited inspections with cooperation expected and demanded” from Saddam.

“If we get the resolution the president seeks, and Saddam complies,” Clinton added, “disarmament can proceed and the threat can be eliminated. … If we get the resolution and Saddam does not comply, we can attack him with far more support and legitimacy than we would have otherwise.” This international support is “crucial,” she added, because, “after shots are fired and bombs are dropped, not all consequences are predictable.”

Then came, from today’s vantage, the key passage: “Even though the resolution before the Senate is not as strong as I would like in requiring the diplomatic route first … I take the president at his word that he will try hard to pass a United Nations resolution and seek to avoid war, if possible. Because bipartisan support for this resolution makes success in the United Nations more likely and war less likely—and because a good faith effort by the United States, even if it fails, will bring more allies and legitimacy to our cause—I have concluded, after careful and serious consideration, that a vote for the resolution best serves the security of our nation. If we were to defeat this resolution or pass it with only a few Democrats, I am concerned that those who want to pretend this problem will go away with delay will oppose any United Nations resolution calling for unrestricted inspections.”
 
Congress are not remotely foreign policy elites, in fact most of them dont know very much about anything, dumb ass.

way more than you or anybody you listen to, boy. the democrats, anyway. they are the ones that vote, clown. not you. and you don't know shit from shinola.
 
No, what clinton and kerry said when voting, reluctantly, for the resolution proved they thought it was a way to stop bush's plan to invade, by giving saddam a chance to prove he was not dangerous...dumbass liar...here is what she said on the senate floor when she voted for the resolution-

If we get the resolution and Saddam does not comply, we can attack him with far more support and legitimacy than we would have otherwise.” This international support is “crucial,” she added, because, “after shots are fired and bombs are dropped, not all consequences are predictable.”

damn you are tenaciously stoopid. that's diplo-speak for justification for invasion
And there is also the set up to dodge the aftermath
Clinton is a wily war weasel -gotta give her that
 
I think he is slavishly loyal to trump, to a fault.........
his humanitarian based sanctions in place of foreign policy is not Trumpian

we are also sanctioning a large amount of Chinese computer and telecommunications chips
That's not going to change China, and it's a poor substitute for negotiated trade
 
his humanitarian based sanctions in place of foreign policy is not Trumpian

we are also sanctioning a large amount of Chinese computer and telecommunications chips
That's not going to change China, and it's a poor substitute for negotiated trade

DO you prefer a shooting war?? Setting an example of some ttpe in the south china sea??

That is gonna hurt & send a message.

When they broke their commitments & took hong kong would have been a good time.....

Or after trump realized Xi played him about the virus would have been another.......
 
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Almost down to the last man/woman/whatever the foreign policy elite either supported this calamity or refused to speak in objection.

And of course the journalists were worse than useless.

BS, the journalist were pointing out they wasn't any WMD's in Iraq.
Not FOX, they were towing the Rumsfeld line, if they weren't in Iraq, they were moved to Syria.
 
i dont do back digging.

The moving finger writes; and, having writ, moves on: nor all thy piety nor wit shall lure it back to cancel half a line,
nor all thy tears wash out a word of it.
-- Omar Khayyam

Why not?

You do plenty of that in Dotard's rectum.
 
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