Putin blatantly violates Minsk accord

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My friend from Ukraine said her family still in Kiev are worried but not terribly so. They're still hoping for a peaceful resolution.

That's good to hear.
To the best of my knowledge, none of my Russian acquaintances and relatives want to wage war on Ukraine.
 
That's good to hear.
To the best of my knowledge, none of my Russian acquaintances and relatives want to wage war on Ukraine.

Her family in particular could possibly be targeted if the Russians take the country. Her father died mysteriously when she was a teenager. He worked for the KGB and just disappeared one day and was never seen again. Needless to say they despise Putin.
 
Her family in particular could possibly be targeted if the Russians take the country. Her father died mysteriously when she was a teenager. He worked for the KGB and just disappeared one day and was never seen again. Needless to say they despise Putin.

Yikes.

My aunt's husband was hauled off by NKVD and she never heard from him again, until decades later when she living in Canada and she found out he had been released from the Gulag and been remarried.

It would have been nice for him to try to track my aunt down and let her know. A letter is not that hard to write.
 
Even the Chinese foreign minister said yesterday that Ukraine's territorial sovereignty should be respected.

You seem to think a hypothetical China-Russia anti-western alliance is supposed fill us with terror, and make us genuflect to Vladimir Putin.

China is always going to be ambivalent about an actual anti-western military alliance with Russia. Russia is a fading 21st century economic power, and China is always going to walk a tight rope between the west and Russia. China knows it's economic security in the 21st century is largely oriented towards the West, not towards Moscow.
he also said all parties should show "restraint" - arming he hell out of Kviy is not "restraint. It's diplo-speak.
Wait till they go after Taiwan and see what kind of "restraint"they use
You seem to think a hypothetical China-Russia anti-western alliance is supposed fill us with terror, and make us genuflect to Vladimir Putin.
your hatred for Putin makes you blind to the obvious
They pledged mutual support against the west at the Olympics
China and Putin hold regular meetings/phone calls -
they have run a unified miiltary war games
The call each other my friends
They dont condemn Russia either
even the USA says China -not Russia is the "number 1 threat " ( Biden is still stuck on Russia)
They can buy anything Russia needs for export -not just extractives
They triangulate against the USA

you dont need to 'bow down' to Putin, one needs to simply apply realpolitik
and get past the mindset anything good for Russia has to be bad for the west and vice versa.
That has led to treating Ukraine as defacto NATO and is a stated reason by Putin (among others)
why he considers Kyiv a hostile power

Your way is not working- Russia expands, China beefs up it's military and economy

We've created a Frankenstein monster because of demonization of Putin, which you do at every opportunity
 
Yikes.

My aunt's husband was hauled off by NKVD and she never heard from him again, until decades later when she living in Canada and she found out he had been released from the Gulag and been remarried.

It would have been nice for him to try to track my aunt down and let her know. A letter is not that hard to write.
You should write a book.
 
And the People of the Ukraine didn’t want foreign boots on their soil


We honored their freedom


Putin is putting boots on their soil

He is not honoring their freedom

This is true, you do realize that Zelensky is a UN-installed regime-change puppet and an actual Nazi though, correct?

It's not all black-and-white.

None of this would be happening if the "regime-changers" never hit Ukraine.
 
You should write a book.
I owe everything to older relatives who honored and preserved the memories of the past.

I did write a book about my family's footprint across 500 years of history, across four continents, through civil wars and revolutions.

I just wrote it for myself, it's not good enough to be published or for wider interest.
 
This is what an acquaintance of mine who is active in the Russian democratic opposition wrote today:
completely worthless response. all you and friends do is bash Putin -fine enough in the abstract
but counterproductive as a policy.

per Kissinger:
For the West, the demonization of Vladimir Putin is not a policy; it is an alibi for the absence of one.

and if you want to go down the road of "territorial integrity" you (not you personally) are going to have to explain our meddling on the ground of Independence Square (Kyiv- Euromaidan)
of McCain, Robert Kagan and Vicky Nuland

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McCain speaking next to the notorious Ukrainian neo-Nazi leader Oleh Tyahnybok.
Tyahnybok, a longtime fascist, has called for a war on the so-called “Muscovite-Jewish mafia”
 

IMO, this is what Putin wants; to recognize the entire disputed area as a separate state. He'll move his army into Eastern Ukraine, South Russia, Putinastan or whatever they call it and then it will be Putin's Army standing off the world saying "Come and take it". That's his end game.

He's the winner and the West will declare "Democracy in action" after Putin agrees that Ukraine is sovereign and agree on where the lines will be drawn.

Small victory for Vlad. Ruble value shoots up after peace declared.
 
1) Both regions voted overwhelmingly to leave Ukraine back in 2014.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Donbas_status_referendums

And save the bullshit about 'Russian troops were outside the polling booths.'
WRONG.
Not in the Donbass.
There were only Russian troops in the Crimea because there was a huge Russian naval base in Sevastopol.

2) Ukraine's law on this is insane.
It basically says no region can leave Ukraine without everyone in Ukraine agreeing to it.
That is nuts.

The world leaders do not give a shit about the Donbass.
They just don't want to give separatists in their own country more reason to leave if the Donbass successfully split from Ukraine.

3) Maybe you neocons are longing for more battles.
Or you are just obsessed about hating Russia from the Cold War.
Or you Bidenbots/lefties are obsessed about 'whatever lefty government's say is right'.
But the people of the Donbass region have spoken - they want OUT of Ukraine.
And I support them on this 100%.

Just as I would if ANY region voted overwhelmingly to leave it's country...including ANY US state.
Assuming they took their share of the national debt on a per capita basis with them - which the Donbass will not do now that Kiev has been attacking them for years.


And I don't much care if anyone disagrees with me...because they are 100% wrong.
And I do not waste time debating with neocons and/or closed-minded ignoramuses.
 
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1) Both regions voted overwhelmingly to leave Ukraine back in 2014.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Donbas_status_referendums

And save the bullshit about 'Russian troops were outside the polling booths.'
WRONG.
Not in the Donbass.
There were only Russian troops in the Crimea because there was a huge Russian naval base in Sevastopol.

2) Ukraine's law on this is insane.
It basically says no region can leave Ukraine without everyone in Ukraine agreeing to it.
That is nuts.

The world leaders do not give a shit about the Donbass.
They just don't want to give separatists in their own country more reason to leave if the Donbass successfully split from Ukraine.

3) Maybe you neocons are longing for more battles.
Or you are just obsessed about hating Russia from the Cold War.
Or you Bidenbots/lefties are obsessed about 'whatever lefty government's say is right'.
But the people of the Donbass region have spoken - they want OUT of Ukraine.
And I support them on this 100%.

Just as I would if ANY region voted overwhelmingly to leave it's country...including ANY US state (assuming they took their share of the national debt on a per capita basis with them).

And I don't much care if anyone disagrees with me...because they are 100% wrong.
And I do not waste time debating with neocons and/or closed-minded ignoramuses.
Why would anyone want to join the separatists?
“These tendencies have gone hand in hand with economic degradation.
The living standards are “many times, if not dozens of times worse than in pre-war 2013”, said Aseyev, 32, who now lives in Kyiv and has published a novel about the events in Donetsk.”



https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/...tsk-and-luhansk-ukraines-separatist-statelets
 
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